The Garabandal Miracle: 2011 Or 2012?
Our Lady Of Medjugorje
BUMP: This blog post has gained the attention of people around the world. I want to re-post it for the benefit of those that did not read it earlier this year.
UPDATE: In case anybody is interested in a statue of Maria Rosa Mystica, it is detailed and posted on the front page (as of September 15, 2011). On the “two suns” vision I had, I looked up on YouTube and so far aside from actual anomalies unexplained in China and other parts of the world, others are connecting them to those who follow Planet X/Nibiru topic. None of these videos show a clash and repel each other; perhaps it has another meaning and not a literal meaning.
This post is (aside from Japan‘s disaster) one of the most viewed of the whole blog. Consider this a sign of Our Mother watching us very closely. If you have other dates as theory, or do not believe in anything at all, it’s okay to write about it too.
Thanks for visiting The Palin Express, and I will write about María Rosa Mystica as well. God Bless You!
I posted this on another website here in WordPress:
I have had this hunch, this message for a second day in a row: “Garabandal will be soon, very soon!” “Garabandal will be soon!” And in Spanish, since that’s my first language. It is a WARNING to me, but do I need to BE there? It’s said that all those who attend will be healed of all diseases and illnesses (count me in), but because we have Internet, TV and satellites everybody around the world will watch it.
One of the many images and videos of ecstasy
I believe that after going through a couple of websites, the right date for the Apparition(s) will be April 12, 2012. I thought at first that it would happen this year (which it could be) then I came upon this one:
http://ausmedjugorje.webs.com/miracle.html under St. Hermengild. Just a hunch, wanted it out there see if it makes sense to anybody else. I am Catholic, the YouTube videos and the documentaries about the Garabandal girls are incredible, especially the picture where St. Michael The Archangel gives one of the girls the Holy Ghost. It appeared out of nowhere, and hundreds saw that miracle.
Love the website and I am also devout to Maria Rosa Mystica from Montichari/Fontanelle.
For your information and how especially this is significant for me, I feel that I am finally delivering a message to spread to the world. Of course only God knows, and I am not 100% certain of the date. What I can tell you is that I feel a sense of peace by delivering this message to whoever reads it.
YouTube videos of the miracle of Garabandal:
Related Articles
- Msgr. Joao Pereira Venancio (died August 2, 1985) (whatisgarabandal.wordpress.com)
- Blessed Madre Maravillas of Jesus, O.c.d. (1891-1974) (whatisgarabandal.wordpress.com)
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Pope John Paul II – ON GarabandalThere is a book on Garabandal, written by Albrecht Weber in 1993, entitled Garabandal Der Zeigefmger Gottes (Garabandal: The Finger of God), of which a first edition copy was presented to Pope John Paul II. He later asked his secretary, Fr. (now Archbishop) Stanislaus Dziwisz, to write to the author. In the subsequent printing (2000) of the book, on page 19, a portion of the Pope’s message is reprinted, as follows:”May God reward you for everything. Especially for the deep love with which you are making the events connected with Garabandal more widely known. May the Message of the Mother of God find an entrance into hearts before it is too late. As an expression of joy and gratitude, the Holy Father gives you his apostolic blessing.”Weber writes, “From the attached greeting in the Pope’s own handwriting, with his signature, it is clear how deep an interest he has in the events of Garabandal, and how anxious he is that they should be made known in a credible way.”
QUOTES ON PADRE PIO’S BELIEF IN GARABANDAL :Joey Lomangino’s recall of the when he talked to Padre Pio: “We made arrangements to come back again that same day and greeted Padre Pio in the cloister. When we knelt down, we said to him, “Padre Pio, is it true that the Virgin is appearing to the four girls of Garabandal?” And he said, “Yes.” We said, “Padre Pio, should we go there? He said, “Yes, why not?” And that’s how it happened. Because I received the assurance from Padre Pio that the Virgin was appearing and that he permitted me to go, then I wasn’t afraid and I went. “ On March 3, 1962, a letter arrived in Garabandal addressed to all four visionaries. It was written in Italian, and had an Italian stamp, but wasn’t postmarked. Nor was it signed. By the handwriting, and the style of the letter, it was clear it could have only come from Padre Pio. The letter said:”My Dear Children,”At nine o’clock this morning the Holy Virgin told me to say to you: ‘O Blessed young girls of San Sebastian de Garabandal! I promise you that I will be with you until the end of the centuries, and you will be with Me during the end of the world and later, united with Me in the Glory of Paradise.’Padre Pio continued:I am sending you a copy of the Holy Rosary of Fatima, which the Virgin told me to send you. The Rosary was composed by the Virgin and should be propagated for the salvation of sinners and preservation of humanity from the terrible punishments with which the good God is threatening it. I give you only one counsel: PRAY and get others to pray, because the world is at the beginning of perdition.They do not believe in you or in your conversations with the Lady in White. BUT THEY WILL BELIEVE YOU WHEN IT WILL BE TOO LATE” From the book “The Fianl Hour “ (Michael Brown) page 141On the topic of Padre Pio ‘s belief in Garabandal:“Asked on another occasion about its authenticity, he answered curtly, ”How many times must she appear there to be believed ? “Handed a book on Garabandal, Padre Pio gazed fixedly ath the cover and as though by chance, opened to the page with the last message-” the cup was overflowing” message of June 18,1965. He then closed the book and blessed it.From the book “Thunder of Justice “ page 163 : An incident which confirms Padre Pio’s belief in Garabandal occurred early in 1966. Conchita, who was only 16 years old,was visiting Rome with her mother and Fr. Luna. She had been invited by Cardinal Ottaviani, Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. During the visit,Conchita met privately with Padre Pio. On this occasion, he took Conchita’s hand and her crucifix that Our Lady had kissed in Garabandal and held them both in his own two hands. The crucifix had passed through the hands of the child Jesus,during the apparition of November 13,1965.
Please pray for all the injured & dead in the explosions in the Boston marathon ! Terrorism once again.
How awful to see the bombing in Boston!!! So many people hurt & two dead, a young eight year old boy was killed. I hope the president finds these evil people and jail them forever – jail is too good for them!! We will bow our heads and pray. Glen, what you wrote about Garabandal is wonderful, Padre Pio truly believed in Garabandal. That is all i will put for now, as what has happened in Boston., I feel as though I should pray for the people who have been badly hurt. We had 29 miners die in our coal mine a couple of years ago, one of the lads who died was one of our sons best friend, and two of the men also that died played footy with our sons. The men are still stuck down there in the mine – as they may never get them out as the gas is too high. This I know is a bit different from the Boston tradgery – but we all have a fair idea what suffering is, especially, when you see it on the faces of the parents, relatives left behind.. what I find very sad is that two men that got out of the explosion of the mine have suffered also as they live with guilt for being alive when their mates died…….it plays on their minds what they could have done to help them. Sorry to go on, as this has nothing to do with our Garabandal discussion. God bless the lovely people of America and keep her safe,.
I’m including the miners in my rosaries as well. So sad!
It’s heartbreaking. I think they reported that one of the victims was an 8 year old child. My prayers are with the victims…
3 are now dead and 10 people had to have amputations. 143 injured as of now, 17 in critical condition. Blessed Mother, pray for us!
GAY marriage is now legal in New Zealand. Could happen as early as August.
This now allows them to adopt.
Barbara, what have my cousins done?
How is this going to affect the Catholic Church?
The understanding I have here, is that the people didn’t get to vote on this, the parliment took it on themselves, is this correct?
You can just see how the Church is going to be persucuted in so many different ways.
We need to brace ourselves and stay close to the faith as our Church is going to have so many different enemies.
“For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world”
Sorry but I must laugh at the ignorance in the last post. Gay people have been adopting children and making families for years and the children are normal, sane and healthy. Janine, as you know gay people do not choose to be gay just like straight people do not choose to be straight, you just are. God made me who I am and I had no control over my sexual orientation. I have always wanted children and know I would make a good father. I may adopt myself. I know many same sex couples who have adopted children and some are already grown and doing just fine. They have wonderful values, morals and they are no different than other children / adolescents of straight parents !
Paul, I understand that ‘some’ people are born with gay feelings. But that does NOT mean we should change the law of God.
You know through our emails that I don’t judge you. But…
Can’t you see what this is going to do to the Churches?
It is going to drive them to a whole new persecution.
Because the Catholic Church stays to Gospel teaching, it can not perform these ‘so called’ marriages.
This will then lead to legal matters, which will then lead to our Churches being closed. And to tell you the truth, better to close the Church than act against the will of God in His sacred place.
God made man, God made woman. God made us in a way that through man and woman having intercourse children can be born.
This is the way of God. No other way.
So believe me in when I say, “We need to brace ourselves and stay close to the faith as our Church is going to have so many different enemies.”
Jesus is our Church. We can decide through the ‘free will’ He gave us to decide if we are for Him, or against Him.
You know, I stand up for what our Church says, and even here amongst fellow Catholics I am persecuted.
Why?
What do I say that is so wrong?
Am I saying anything differently to what our parish priest would say?
Wouldn’t our parish priests say to listen to what the Church say?
Oh how our Lord must suffer.
I have to just keep on saying…
“Jesus, I trust in You.”
Janine,
Yes we all know same sex couples cannot ” produce” a baby, that’s why straight people who cannot have children adopt, single parents and gay parents. You make it sound as if the church always is right no matter what they say. This is where I disagree with you. The church has been wrong on important matters in the past (ie: they persecuted and killed those who believed the world was not flat and that the earth was not the center of the universe. The church murdered innocent people during the crusades because others did not follow Catholicism, the church preached against inter-racial marriages and tried to biblically back it up). In all these examples the church was wrong in thier believe and action. I use my own experience as a gay man and must do what I know is right from my experience in my life and thru my prayers with God. The church knows nothing about gay people yet they make blanket statements for all that don’t fit the majority mold. Jesus never said one word about homosexuality and by not saying one word I think that says a lot. I have every right to be in a committed relationship with an orientation God gave me and I have a right to be a parent.
for you to say god made you the way you are , that is gay, you are wrong, god made man and woman for each other, , you are being decieved by satan and are commiting a disgusting act,, and to say that children should be brought up in a gay or lesbian relation ship is just sick,start praying your rosary daily and ask jesus and our lady to take this disgusting act from you,
Pat,
Wow if that wasnt the most judgemental statement than I don’t know what is. No one chooses thier sexuality. Gay people DO NOT CHOOSE to be gay. If that is the case then tell me what day, year and hour you made your decision to be straight ??? The fact is you didn’t. I was born with this orientation whether you like it or not and I take offense to your words of saying I am discusting. Not everything in this world is black or white nor does everything fit into your little box. My advise to you is please educate yourself and let the first one who is without sin cast the first stone.
By the way Pat, just for your information I do pray the rosary daily and have been for years. When I was younger I prayed for years for God to change me to straight. That ever happened and its because he didnt make a mistake !
Yes, it is all happening here – very very sad, but true – we just knew that this bill would pass – we as a nation are going down hill!! John Keys our prime minister is an embarrasant! I hope we get rid of him soon! If gays want to be gay – let them – but please keep it clean in public. We are trying to bring up children & grand-children as normal as possible – and sorry Paul – this is abnormal behaviour,. You sound a lovely man – we have nothing against the person – only the act! Adopting children is wrong and putting them into a situation with 2 dads/ 2 mums is so sad!!I I agree with Janine – this is what will pull our Churches to closure as they will want marriages in our Catholic Church – and our priests will not do this . it is against Gods law and ours. Pope Francis is against gays adopting children also. Speaking of the Pope – did you know the Russians 71% of them want to invite him to their country!!! We may be very close to the warning – remember what Conchita stated “The pope will go to Moscow and when he returns there will be chaos in the streets – and he will be persuated, and there may be the beginnings of a war” or an attack. The waiting game….Also, like to say about what the seers say in Medjugorje about marriages are in crisis, the same was said at Garabandal in the 1960′s and about the church and priests back then also, now look whats happening – what a mess!!! we are lucky with our priests here, they are normal and priestly, the younger one, recently went to Paris on a marathon,and then later visited Lourdes & Lisieux, nice man. Thank you Kelsey for praying a rosary for the miners. Also if anyone reads the propheries of Maria Divine Mercy – please be very careful about what she says as a lot of people believe in her and she is more or less saying the pope is the anti-pope, which of course is untrue, a couple of years ago she said the warning was going to happen 2010/2011 and nothing happened. I know I have also stated that I think the Miracle is 9th April 2015 – but that is only my view from what Conchita said in her book – and that is the only time that it fits in not Easter and not Lent ….I have onlt given my idea, and am not saying it would be the date, everyone can have their say… but Maria Divine is saying this is from Jesus – which I doubt! I only believe in Medjugorje,Garabandal, La Salette,Fatima. Bye for now .
Bbruhn- you are very ignorant. In your statement, ” if gays want to be gay, let them” being gay is NOT A CHOICE. You don’t choose to be gay and have same sex feelings!!!!! If sexual orientation is a choice then tell me the day you woke up and decided to be straight !! I’m sick of the ignorance and hate. Many religious people don’t want to believe the truth that is not a choice so they can keep blaming gay people for choosing to be gay. I’m sick and tired of hearing you lies about people like me. I’ve heard it all my life and its time it ended. Yes I hope the warning cones soon because you will have a lot to answer for yourself in your lies, judgement and hate for your gay brothers & sisters !!
Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”
Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them”
1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.
Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.
As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same you would any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God — even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him same dignity as anyone else you come in contact with. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don’t compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of godliness.
Don’t try to quote the Bible to me because it says a lot of things we know is wrong today. The bible says its an abomination to eat shellfish. The bible condones and encourages slavery ! Go preach that to your black neighbor and see what happens. So don’t try your pedestal preaching because there are many things you Pat as a Christian do not follow as is written.
I do not wish to argue with u or anyone else about gay issues or about me. If you want to pray for me because you thing I am so discussing you go right ahead and ill pray for you and your errors.
Yes, parliament have made legal gay marriages – and we, as a nation had no say in this, they said we could vote yay or nay on line- but it still went through!! we as a nation as people are not considered to put in our say, even though they did have many people emailing how they are against this bill! Also, I know where you are coming from Paul, as I have a neice who is gay,and this makes me so sad – so sad that you wonderful people have got it all wrong. I would never tell my neice she is wrong in doing this abnormal act and the adopting, sorry, Paul, no matter how “healthy” it may seem., it is not normal. Jesus Mary & Joseph appeared to the Fatima children as a holy family – the Medjugorje seers are all married – and they also said that marriages these days are in crisis – and these seers give us a good example how marriages should be through their prayer life and Marys appearances. Dear Paul, i would never condem you and tell you what is right & wrong, this is not our place you sound a wonderful person & only God judges – please dont be ofended with what I have put down. Now some different news – the Russians would like to Pope Francis to visit their country, 71% would like to welcome him to their country!! Well, you guys , what do you think?? Fits in with GarabandaL Prophicies if this happens!! Remember what Conchita said “The pope will go to Moscow, Russia, and when he return ther will be chaos in the streets, the pope will be persecuted., maybe beginnings of a war and then the warning” We are getting very close. Last time I went to Garabandal in 2010 the roads were still pretty rough, but now they are upgraded and in great condition for traffic, prepared for the Miracle, which is just as well for the many sick that will go there. I asked Our dear Holy Mother if I could go to the Miracle.I would take many sick people as possible – but she better move it as I’ve just recently turned 59years (ouch!!) and have great health but, want to be in good condition to help the needy. So, it is just a waiting game. I hope the warning & miracle happen soon, the world needs it
Ive repeated some of this – as i thought had had deleted the first page – stupid washing machine was playing up!!! So sorry guys, angry woman, angry dam machine!!!!
Paul,
Who on here said that they hate gay people? Just because we disagree with you, doesn’t mean we hate you, nor does it make us ignorant. Do you hate us just because you happen to disagree? I bet you don’t. I do agree with you on the point that one doesn’t choose their sexuality. However, I fail to see your argument that the Church is wrong on this matter. You argue that homosexuality isn’t In the Bible. That is the same argument that pro-choicers use to defend their position as well as to why they feel that the Church is wrong on their position on abortion. True, the term “homosexuality” isn’t in the Bible, but neither is the term “abortion”, but I bet you still disagree with it. Look Paul, I’m not judging you on your sins. I have plenty of my own. However, truth is truth, and the Church is right on this matter. Are you familiar with the writings of Pope John Paul II? Google Theology of the Body.
God Bless!
Kelsey,
I’ve heard all this before. I don’t listen to people who know nothing about gay people and the church knows nothing about me or people like me and learn from our experience. According to the church I as a gay man cannot have a partner, cannot be in a relationship and I cannot adopt. This leaves me with being alone without ever sharing love with anyone for my life. Sorry but I don’t believe that what Jesus wants for me. I cannot change my orientation so it’s either live alone for life or do what I know is right in my heart and conscience. I’d like you try to be faced with the church telling you that you can never have a girlfriend. a wife, children or have a family. Just go get an apartment and live by yourself till you die! Your judging my life because I was born with a gay orientation as being inferior and less than yours. I have a wonderful partner and we will be great parents !
Dont hate you Paul – and dont hate any of you. What lies? Perhaps I am ignorant – whos perfect? And am not judging anyone. I hope the warning does happen really soon so God can show me how I have offended you. Apologise to you – dont condem me – it is not your place – and probably not your character. Paul, some years ago, my husband & I were in the hotel having a quiet drink, the hotel was full, as it was New Years Eve., an attractive woman came up to me and we were chatting away, she was very plesant, a little later she put her arm around me I was shocked and pushed her away -I said I was a married woman – she said it didn’t matter – I told her where to go!!!! My husband came back over to our table and saw all this and just laughed and knew she was gay – myself being so ignorant did not pick up on this until the arm was too friendly!! Do you see my view Paul? I feel a little bitter – those relationships dont go well with me – Paul it is not just Catholics – quite a few feel the same about these relationships please dont let this ruin our discussions.Please do me a favour – could you say a Hail Mary for a stupid womand and for my brother Bernard who has only weeks to live going through a bad time with his illiness. Went for a bike -ride before up in these small area where these pine trees grow and cried my bloody heart out dont want him to die ..not dam fair ,,life isnt fair Sorry Paul. Regards Barbara
Barbara,
When u said if gay people want to be gay, let them….implying its a choice. This is what I was referring to as a lie. The gay woman you experienced was obviously a jerk and innopropriate but the majority of gay people do not act like she did.
I’m sorry about your brother and yes it’s not fair that he is dying. I will surely say prayers for you and him. I lost both parents and I can imagine what you are going thru. Now. I understand.
Good night. I will pray now.
Kelsey, your response is 100% right in my opinion. Paul no one has ever said we hate gays, that is something only Paul says.
I know many people who are straight that haven’t got children, because they haven’t found the love of their life. I have a school friend who always wanted children, but never got married. She is now too old for children. But this is the way it goes.
I also know of those who felt their time clock was ticking, so they had a baby out of wedlock all because they wanted to. They believed they were intitled to have a baby and believed it was their given ‘right’.
All very selfish. All very much about me, me, me.
Sometimes we just have to do what is right.
Jesus came to this earth and told us all we needed to know. He explained the laws.
Yes, our Church has made mistakes. Everyone does.
But on most issues, they are right.
This issue is going to bring the Church down. We are then going to become hungry for the Bread of Life.
We ‘must’ listen to the Church on all issues.
Jesus is our Church!
The Church supposedly doesn’t understand you and yet they require the same thing from themselves…celibacy.
Yes. Never easy for a man. But many have and do live this way.
Barbara, you said “Yes, parliament have made legal gay marriages – and we, as a nation had no say in this,”
That is so wrong!
So much is being taken away from us. Not to have a say. Mind you, in time it would have changed anyway, our youth in schools are educated in non Christian ways. Satan is very clever, he can make wrong sound right.
I have lots of proof in showing Maria Divine Mercy is false. Because of her and all the other false prophets, my mind was so poisoned in my way of thinking.
You say “I only believe in Medjugorje,Garabandal, La Salette, Fatima.”
I only believe in the prophecies of Fatima and approved prophets.
Did you know while La Salette is an approved apparition, the prophecies have NOT been approved? Strange hey?
This is something else I only learnt late last year. But that is another story.
Oh. You guys don’t realise how much I want you to see what I see now. I pray for you at the sacrifice of the mass every morning.
God Bless and guide you.
I agree Janine.
The problem is if one can say the Church is wrong on this issue, then who’s to say what teaching is right vs. wrong? It’s a dangerous slope. People can’t pick and choose what they want to believe. You either believe Catholicism is a buffet or you believe it holds the Truth and authority of Jesus Christ. I believe the latter.
Kelsey,
Jesus never said a priest should be celebate and never marry, that was instituted by man. If you don’t think the church has ever been wrong in history than you are sadly mistaken and I feel sorry for you. We will have to agree to disagree.
I love the Truth of our Church. We are so lucky to be of Catholic faith. The Church Jesus gave to Peter for us.
We can’t wait to adopt. We aren’t getting any younger. So excited to be a father !
I can see within 3 years, maybe sooner, the so called Christian world will support gay marriage. The Arab world won’t.
God will not allow this.
But how long will we have to wait?
I know you all expect a warning first, but I do not.
Our Lady at Fatima told us about the persecution of the Church.
Oh, this saddens me so much. I love our Church.
But I can see us going hungry for the Bread of Life. This will be a great suffering for Catholics.
I go to Mass every morning. I know if for some reason I can’t go, my day is not the same.
Going to Mass and recieving the Holy Eucharist is such a gift.
Now we are putting this practise under threat.
Are there others who read here, whos country is also moving to same sex marriage in the not too distant future?
Congratulations Paul, being a parent is one of the best things you can ever do in life. My daughter is seven and she amazes me more and more each day. Best of luck with the adoption process Paul.
Thank you Helen, I’m getting backlash from many on here cause I’m gay and I am in a committed relationship and looking to adopt. They think I should be living alone with no possibility of a relationship or a family. Just go be alone till I die because that’s what the church says I should do. I have been a prayerful man my whole life and I was born with a gay orientation. I didn’t ask for it and didnt choose it. In my prayers with my spiritual director I came to love who God made me to be, accept myself and live my life in prayer with Jesus to the best of my abilities. I’m done listening to those who want to tell me how awful I am, how bad and they minimize my experience and my interpretation of what Jesus wants for me in my own prayers as invalid. To them only the church can correctly interpret what God truly thinks and feels about certain things. Sad.
Paul,
Seriously…Anyone can read the past posts that are documented here, and see what you are accusing us is not true. The only thing we are guilty of is disagreeing with you.
Kelsey,
To say a priest knows what a gay man goes through and how he feels because he chose to be a priest and be celebate was his choice. A straight priest knows NOTHING of growing up knowing you are different, being mocked by kids at school, being bullied and threatened daily because you are different. A straight priest knows NOTHING about being minimized, marginalized and demonized by society and the church your entire life. A priest knows NOTHING of the fear of being found out that you are gay and the fear of losing your friends and family. A priest knows NOTHING. about living under the constant stress of being discriminated against and being treated like a second class citizen and a priests knows NOTHING about the many thoughts a gay person goes thru during thier adolescent yrs of committing suicide because you feel worthless by the way society and the church has treated you !!!!! A priest on the contrary is looked up to and celebrated. So how dare you try to equate that simply because a priest chooses to enter the church and take vows of celibacy that he knows exactly how gay people feel and understands what they go thru. I resent you trying to equate the two and yet again it reveals your ignorance of this topic !
Paul,
Noone is giving you any ‘back lash’ here.
You are taking it personal.
If you wish to adopt, you have to accept fellow Catholics are going to frown upon this. You can not expect the Church to support this. Or us to be ‘happy’ for you if you do succeed.
We are Catholic. As Catholic’s we should support our Faith and the words of Our Holy Father.
As a Catholic, I am voicing my concern with the negative effect the world will endure with same sex marriage.
I can only guess why Helen is so supportive on this matter.
If Helen ‘congratulates’ you in wanting to adopt, then it is obvious to me Helen is not for the Church.
“For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world”
“Jesus, I trust in You”
Janine,
There are numerous Catholics I know who support me for wanting to be a parent and father and have offered to help in anyway. My Catholic Church welcomes ALL to it without judgement including gay individuals. Are priests do not pretend to have all the answers but they refuse to exclude anyone and are very welcoming. I don’t care whether you like it or not that I am in a committed relationship and that I want to adopt a child and have a family. I am catholic and I have my own personal relationship with Jesus which frankly is none of your business.
I’m well aware of that Paul, and I don’t need you to feel sorry for me:)
As you are aware, priests are unmarried and expected to be celibate regardless…and yet you are faulting them for not being understanding although they require the same upon themselves.
Janine I take great exception to your comment about me. I will congratulate and support who I like and I don’t have to ask your opinion on same. I think anyone who is willing to give love and support to a child is to be commended. Your church has sone enough damage to children not only in my country but across Europe and the U.S plus the church are not willing to apologise or pay compensation. Kindly remove your comment about me on the church or apologise. You have no right to speak about me and who I support.
Paul,
I am not ignorant, so quit with the juvenile namecalling. We are all adults here, and you are acting very petty simply because we don’t agree on a matter.
Priests are NOT celebrated the world over. In many countries they have it WORSE! Throughout the years many priests have been martyred in the most gruesome ways, and they still are! Shame on on you for saying your struggles as a “gay” man are worse! I have a friend who is a priest who was at an airport and waved at a little 4 year old girl. Her mother picked her up and growled, “Don’t look at my daughter, you pediophile!” One can only look at an Internet forum to see the disgusting things said about priests. If they wear their collar out in public, they are spat upon. Another priest friend was physically attacked.
The difference between their struggles and yours is they kept their Christian charity intact. They were met with true opposition, true hate, and true anger. You are met with people who have the audacity in your mind to disagree with you, and you name call.
Kelsey,
Wow – you are trying to say priests suffer more than gay people have throughout history. Unbelievable, you are not even worth my breath to waste on in this forum.
Helen,
You are so correct in your statement and I’m sorry Janine has said those things to you. Thank you for being who you are.
Ah Paul there is no need for you to be sorry. Janine the poor dear took it upon herself to second guess me. Kelsey with regard to your priest friend who waved at a 4 year old, really what was he expecting. Any mother is going to protect her child. These are the times we live in. I would have done the same except I wouldn’t have called the priest a paedophile – that lady did go too far but you cannot blame a mother for protecting her child. I had a man ask me once on holidays if he could take a picture of my daughter and I said NO. So we have to be careful. We are not of course saying your priest friend is a paedophile but…. he and the male of the species do have to be careful in how they act around children in public and its sad.
Really? You would have scooped up your child because a priest waved at her?
Helen,
Forgive me if I’m incorrect, but Janine hasn’t done anything wrong. This is an Internet forum where we gather to discuss Catholic topics. I gather by using language such as “your church did great damage” means you don’t agree with the views on this forum, plus you’re trying to say that Janine is part of it. That is your opinion, but if you’re going to try to force someone to apologize simply because you got “offended”, maybe you should start first…
Yes Paul, that’s exactly what I’m saying, and it’s been validated by historical record. How many priests have been martyred vs. gay men? Keep on with the personal attacks that show your Christian charity please…So far no one who has disagreed with you has called you a name. Hmmmm…
My attacks Kelsey ???? There is no sense in arguing with you because you wish to minimize the suffering of gay people thorough history from society and churches. Go ahead and continue in your denial it really doesn’t matter at this point.
Reading comprehension please…I said that priests aren’t expecting anything out of you that they aren’t doing themselves. Fact! You follow up by saying how priests are celebrated and how you are a victim. Apparently, you like dealing with this subject on an emotional realm instead of a factual one because anyone can crack open a history book and see how that is wrong. You follow everything up with namecalling. That seems to be your mode of operation…You accuse us of “hate” because we don’t agree with you, and then you call names even though NOT ONE PERSON on this forum, has called you a name, made fun of you, called you “ignorant”, called you a waste of breath. You know WHY no one has? Because we don’t hate you. Not only that! It’s because we recognize that you can disagree with a person and still treat them with Christian kindness.
I agree that we will agree to disagree with you. Good day.
Kelsey but you are incorrect. I am a member of the Catholic Church but there are a lot of aspects to it that I am allowed as a person Catholic or otherwise to find fault with – the Catholic Church whether it is your church or my church or anyone else’s have done a lot of damage in this country. God gave us the gift of free will however, looking at this forum people just seen to ‘think” their opinion is right and are quick to judge. There for the grace of God go I so perhaps some of you here who are quick to judge and pass judgement should look at yourselves.
Helen,
What am I passing judgement on? Janine and I are entitled to our opinions just as you and Paul are. You said, “Your church” so it stands to reason that you associating yourself apart from it. Why not say, “Our church?”
Furthermore, there may be some events in Church history that you may not agree with, but you are aware that the Church is infallible in the matters of faith and morals correct? If it offends you that we are standing up for church teaching, I’m sorry, but we’re not going to cease defending our faith. Not will you get an apology or a retraction.
I have, am, and will continue to treat Paul as a child of God, even though I disagree with his lifestyle. If he or you chooses to lash out with disrespect, that’s your choice. I personally don’t identify with the mindset that some “Christians” have to engage in namecalling those who simply disagree. That’s not my brand of Catholicism.
Kelsey you seriously need to grow up. I never said the Church was infallible but unfortunately its being run by men (need I say more?) ok I jest but by humans who have human faults just like I have and you have but I feel you think that you are above that. You might disagree with Paul and stating that you will treat him as a child is a bit ott. You don’t have the right to do it, only God the Father does so perhaps you think yourself above the rest of us mere humans. Your church, my church our church it doesn’t matter. Damage was still done
Kelsey,
I never called you a name, I said you are ignorant meaning you have a lack of true knowledge of the topic we were discussing. The church is infallible in morals ???? Hmmm. Hiding pedophiles priests from law enforcement and refusing to turn them in does not sound to ” Moral” to me. Your denial and refusal to put blame on these bishops and others who refuse to apologies and who should be arrested for accomplice to crimes of child abuse is unbelievable. I cannot believe you just said the church is infallible in Morals!!
Helen,
I said I would treat him as a “Child of God”. Do you not know what that means?
It means I will treat him with respect.
Paul,
Just so you are aware…I deal with facts, not emotional outbursts. Anyway, since you asked.
“It is this Magisterium’s task to preserve God’s people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error…. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church’s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals.” (Catechism, 890)
Oh are you doing that now Kelsey oh how good of you as from what I have seen you haven’t being doing that. You might be a “good” Catholic and uphold its virtues and rules but from what I’ve seen you haven’t been very christian like. Of course you are not going to like that and try and turn it back on me. There is no need. I am well aware of my faults and failings. Just climb down of your high horse a little. Your only human too.
Obviously from what we have seen by the church they are NOT infallible in ” morals”. If so then u are saying its ok to abuse children and try to get away with it. Don’t even try to defend this.
Helen,
As I have said numerous times:
You can respect someone while still disagreeing with them.
Please feel free to show me a quote in which I called Paul or anyone else a name. You’ll only find texts of me disagreeing with a position. You will not find a quote from me attacking any person on this forum…like you are doing to me and Janine.
The reason for this is because I believe in treating people with respect even when I happen to strongly disagree.
Oh, by the way….Calling a person a Child of God isn’t an insult. I believe we are all children of God, and should be treated as such. I’m sorry if you happen to disagree.
Kelsey I’m not attacking you – just giving you the benefit of my opinion and what I have seen the Catholic Church do. You don’t like it, so I’m attacking you. I took offence to Janine’s comment she had to right to speak about me like that as I am entitled to. I have asked a priest to do a visit to the sick to my husband and he can’t be bothered. He used to visit our house – always made welcome for his Sunday lunch which my hubby used to cook for him and now my husband is terminally ill and our income has seriously declined – both priests of the parish can’t be bothered as we are now the new poor – nothing new in this recession. Come to Ireland you will see priests living the high life, nice cars fine dining and having girlfriends. Its only what I see – not judging – leaving that to the Lord. But if I am going to hell
I will be in good company. Before you all get hot and bothered I didn’t mean any of you here.
Helen,
I can understand how that would upset and anger you. I have witnessed similar examples as well. I agree that it is totally unjust.
There are some pretty rotten priests. No one is denying that. It’s sad that because of the sins of the bad ones, the many good priests are persecuted. The members of the Church have sinned in it’s long history; priests and lay people.
The Institution of the Church itself though was started by Christ and He promised His protection to it, “The gates of Hell will not prevail against it.” In the matter of Faith and Morals it is infallible.
To be clear though, individual priests, bishops, yes even popes may disappoint and fail. Infallibility doesn’t mean sinlessness. We can see that in the sex abuse scandal. It means that Christ will not lead the Church into error through it’s teachings. It’s remarkable when you think about it! No human institution has lasted as long as the Church. It has faced heresies, corrupt goverments, The Roman Empire, and still has the deposit of Faith where we get our Catechism.
I hope this helps explain my position a little more clearly.
Paul,
Here is what Pope Benedict said:
” What is important is the catechism in its totality: It reflects the church’s teaching; anyone who rejects it overall separates himself unequivocally from the faith and teaching of the church” (“The Catechism and the Optimism of the Redeemed,” 479).”
Surely, you don’t think our pope would have condoned the abuse of children do you?
I go by the blatant evidence and obviously the church is not infallible in ” morality” as we have seen with the church accomplice to criminal behavior by some priests & bishops by hiding them and moving them to different parishes knowing they would abuse again. Don’t quote me this and that – its a weak argument when right in front of our face the world has seen the churches LACK of morality especially in this recent matter. Many people have issues with the church and have left because they no longer trust it, why ? Because of its mistakes and crimes like the abuses for which it has brought upon itself.
Paul,
If you start clipping things out of the Catechism, then Catholicism falls like a deck of cards.
Kelsey you don’t get it, Pope Benedict can say all he likes but he and Pope John Paul II knew exactly what as going in here in Ireland, priests moved around shoved from one parish to the next. Cover up after cover up. One Bishop here actually badgered two little boys in the 1970′s to say quite and made them sign a declaration and when asked to resign he didn’t have the decency to do it. Its lovely for you to live in your ivory tower but I know children that were classmates that were abused by a priest and he was very touchy feely with me as well. But what saved me is that I came from a good family and if my Dad had gotten wind of anything going on that priest would be one sorry man. There was and probably still so much corruption its cruel to even think about it. Defend the our church all you like but there was so much damage done and you really need to face up to that.
I do get it Helen.
I don’t live in an ivory tower. I live in the same fallen sinful world as you do.
The Church, despite her sinful corrupt members, is still a holy and good infallible institution.
The priests who have brought evil will have much to answer for…believe me.
I am actually getting upset revising these memories so I don’t want to take this discussion any further.
Oh dear! What have I woken to?
The percecution of the Church has started. Started by Catholics.
Thankyou Kelsie for defending me on what shouldn’t have needed defending. One only has to read above to know it wasn’t us that did any name calling or anything against our faith.
This all came about because I was, and still am very disturbed about same sex marriage.
I am disturbed for many reasons.
1. Because we are in the Easter season, I still think about Jesus’ Passion for you and me.
2. Because I can see Our Holy Churches being clossed.
3.We are going to be starved of The Bread and Blood of Life.
……..and I can go on and on…..
Why?
Because we live in selfish society who think only about themselves. No care to anyone or anything else, and at the very least Christ.
Oh my Saviour is being crucified all over again.
I am Catholic. I am proud to be a Catholic. I love our Priests, Bishops and Holy Father.
I am sad to hear that people think our priests shouldn’t even wave to a child.
I am sad to know we have become so judgemental of our Priests, that they feel they can’t even hold a childs hand anymore.
I support our priest’s words and direction in everything. Because Jesus gave Peter our Church, and what Jesus gives is very good.
We all know the evil that has taken place within. But please, by having this sort of talk on the internet is killing our faithful priests.
“For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”
Janine,
Because Helen and & disagree on some points and have some concerns and issues with the church we are all of a sudden. ” persecuting” the church. Couldn’t disagree with you more. The church has done a lot if good and the church has made mistakes but you refuse to admit they have ever errored what so ever. To me that is dangerous thinking – like a cult mindset. That’s my opinion.
Paul,
If you and Helen support same sex marriage and same sex adoptions,
you are going against Church teachings. Against what it is said in the Bible.
Now you have just said to me “…you refuse to admit they have ever errored what so ever.”
Didn’t you read what I said above?
I did say…”We all know the evil that has taken place within.”
But to suggest ‘I be like cult mindset’. Well, that is just rediculous.
You know. God gave us all free will.
No one has to stay a Catholic. There are plenty of ‘feel good’ religions out there that justify ‘anything’ t make everyone feel good.
I never said anything for or against gay marriage. If two are in a committed relationship then it is only right that they have financial and health care protection. If my partner gets in an accident and is in the hospital then I should be able to be with him in the hospital and not be treated as a stranger. That is just plain dscrimination. I am a good hearted man and I have every right as you to enjoy being a parent and having a family !! If the church says no then so be it but that’s what I disagree with them on because they are and have never walked a day in my shoes. I must do what I know is right between me and God and thru my years and years of prayer about this topic I have never recieved any signs from God that I should not have a partner nor a child. It’s all been positive cause he knows the love and support I can give a child and that is always good. !
There are now 170 dead after the earthquake in China.
The world keeps on having these warnings. The signs are here.
It makes me wonder. How many people recognise these signs, the signs that Jesus told us about in the Gospel?
Are we now in the signs?
Many before us thought they were living the signs, but weren’t.
Matthew 24:
7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
REMINDER: This is ‘just’ the beginning.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
WOW. This reminds me of how important it is to be strong. I’d like to think I would accept persecution with ‘love’ of Christ, rather than turn from my faith. Hummm, easy said than done. Must pray for strength.
11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
GEE: The amount of ‘false prophets’ now is astounding. These false prophets are already gathering the elect in which Jesus warned us. We are certainly living in the ‘increase of wickedness’.
13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Nice to know. God will win in the end.
Janine, you are really beginning to get on my nerves. You keep speaking as if you know what I support. I never said what I support or what I do not support. How dare you speak on my behalf or what my beliefs are. You have totally overstepped the mark here. Please do not take it upon yourself to speak for me on what I believe. Apologise please.
Helen, I am happy to apologise on something I have said wrong. Being only human, I make mistakes.
But, I have had to read through why you have just said……… “you are really beginning to get on my nerves. You keep speaking as if you know what I support.”
Can you please point out what I ‘KEEP speaking’ about in what I assume you ‘support’ that is getting on your nerves?
The only thing I can find in which I said to Paul was…
“If Helen ‘congratulates’ you in wanting to adopt, then it is obvious to me Helen is not for the Church.”
What is so wrong with that? You support same sex adoption, therefore that is not the side of the Church.
Now I don’t want to assume here. So can you please tell me. Do you follow and support Maria Divine Mercy?
There seems to be something wrong with this thread every time I log on a post by Glenn Hudson from the 27th of February seems to be stuck at the end of this thread. Can someone sort it as it is off putting not to mention having to look at a post by Glenn Hudson – which is also majorly irritating as well.
Helen, sorry to “irritate” you, but there is some kind of glitch with this board. I tried to post a link to a free library of Garabandal information for everyone to use,and instead of just deleting it, the site just reissues that message, I have tried to delete it (since they won’t ) but it wont let me do that either. As usual ,I’m being punished for trying to help other.
Glenn, there is no need for you to say ‘sorry’ here. There is absolutely nothing you have to opologise about.
You know, I don’t like the fact you promote Garabandal which is against the will of the Church.
But I believe you think you are doing the right thing.
Just like I believe I am doing the right thing for Jesus, in showing the other side of a story.
I too see the post from 27th Feb. But it doesn’t irritate me at all.
This forum is democratically friendly.
Not all forums are. Some are run by dictators.
Here you can’t delete what you post.
Yet again Janine you just don’t get it. Really why are you being so obtuse? I am supporting Paul in his bid to become a parent – and to give a child a loving home. There is nothing wrong there. You are taking from that what you will and twisting it. Between yourself and Kelsey you both possess a “self righteous” attitude. Your not being punished but other people are showing you the other side of a human story and you don’t like it. You are taking it upon yourself to be judge and jury. That’s not our job its God the Father and I am happy to let Him do that. In case it slipped your notice both Paul and I are God’s children too. It is good to see that we can post what we want to say. I do follow Maria Divine Mercy and its ironic Janine and you may not like this and if you don’t all the better it was through this thread that I discovered Maria Divine Mercy. As for Glenn promoting Garabandal the jury is out on that one. Glenn promotes himself first.
Yet again we meet Helen, me doing our Blessed Mothers work, telling people about Garabandal’s messages of repentence, holy devotions to mass, communion, confession, the rosary, and the scapular, and here you are hating on me, and no big surprise fighting with others on another board. Its no surprise you & the MDM crowd hate me, I follow the churches teaching and our Blessed Mothers example of OBEDIENCE TO THE POPE ! This is a sure sign of the false prophet MDM. (btw , did you notice she WRONGLY predicted the Warning last year and again the “Easter week ” world event ????? Poor lost souls who blindly follow her without questioning her continual errors. I pray for all MDM followers to be awakened at the Warning.
Janine, it is a bit odd that you cant make corrections or delete any comments here,I am hesitant to post here for that reason. Might I just say that while the church has not approved Garabandal yet (after the Warning & Miracle ,they will be forced to ) I want to clarify ,they ruled it is not supernatural, they did not rule you can not promote it or even censor it. If fact the bishops ruling is complimentary .
THE BISHOP’S OFFICIAL LETTER: July 8, 1965 Bishop Eugenio Beitia of Santander wrote, “We point out, however, that we have not found anything deserving of ecclesiastical censorship or condemnation either in the doctrine or in the spiritual recommendations that have been publicized as having been addressed to the faithful, for these contain an exhortation to prayer and sacrifice, to Eucharistic devotion, to veneration of Our Lady in traditional praiseworthy ways, and to holy fear of God offended by our sins. They simply repeat the common doctrine of the Church in these matters.”
Glenn, I don’t have a problem in the fact one can’t delete what they post. It sort of keeps things honest.
I suppose words, can accidently get put in a way that we don’t mean or come out wrong, but you can self explain later. I’m a good one for saying things wrong at times. In my mind I am saying one thing, but it looks different in black and white.
Glenn, what the Bishop of Satander said in 1965 is very different to what they said in the 70′s continually ’til today.
I would like to ask you a private question one day. One day..:)
You can always reach me either on facebook ,my page is called “Message of Garabandal”, or by email at garabandalguy@yahoo.com . Identify yourself ,so I don’t think its “junk mail”. Thanks ! (btw, all here are welcome to contact me for private Q & A’s )
WARNING!!!!
If anyone follows Maria Divine Mercy.
The Church has put out a world wide warning about her.
Mind you. It is very easy to see she is ‘not’ a true prophet.
As many things in which she has said that is meant to have happened, didn’t happen.
But there are many people all over the world following her.
She professes to speak to Jesus, Mary and God the Father.
She is the worse ‘false prophet’ going around, which shows how confident Satan has become. He can say nearly anything and there will be still those who will follow.
The worse thing this ‘false’ prophet is doing is.. She is turning people against the Church and saying terrible things about Our Holy Father and priests.
Yes. That is right.
Yet there are people who claim to be Catholic who follow this prophet.
She is saying either Mary, Jesus or God the Father has called for a split in the church.
I use to read these messages, until I found fault with predictions. And I know Jesus, Mary or God the Father NEVER get prophecy wrong, so I knew it was lies of Satan.
But before I realised it is all lies, I started having ill feelings towards our Holy Priests. I knew this was NOT right.
This is not what Jesus would want. Jesus loves His Priests.
My mind was so poisoned with so many false prophets.
No wonder I now stick with what is approved.
Hi Glenn,
I was just wondering, how old is Conchieta now and how many children does she have? Does she work ?
Question to all : Has anyone seen the miracle of Lanciano Italy in your travels? This is the miracle where a monk doubted the presents of Jesus in the Eucharist in 15th century I believe. When he went to consecrate it the bread turned to real flesh ( the myocrondia muscle that encases the heart) and the wine turned to blood. The flesh and blood has remained preserved by no human ways and you can go see it still today in Lanciano Italy.
Paul, I hadn’t heard of this until you mentioned it. So I looked it up.
There have been some wonderful stories about the Eucharist through various saints.
The true presence of Jesus ‘is’ in the Eucharist.
At every mass, I look up at the Body of Christ when Father holds up the Eucharist. I try and see it just like St Faustina did. Ofcourse I can’t, but I try.
I haven’t been to Italy, I intend to one day, and when I do, I will make a point to visit Lanciano.
Paul, Conchita just celebrated her 64th birthday. She has 4 adult children. She is a retired nurse, living a quiet prayerful life with her husband.
Glenn, oh wow, I didn’t know she was a nurse. My mom was a nurse too. It’s a wonderful profession.
Glenn we don’t meet again – I really don’t want to meet you. Paul that information you asked Glenn for could be found anywhere online. We don’t hate you Glenn just feel sorry for you as you just promote yourself and your arrogance is well very easy to see.
Helen, What a spiteful thing to say.
Glenn, thank you for keeping us informed. I’m glad you are a part of this forum.
Thank you. Kelsey what “some people” don’t understand about me is that I was forced to “prove” who I am ,because of the “inside information” I had, and then they said “your’re bragging or self promoting,lol promoting what ??? I gain nothing from promoting this apostolate. When I spoke with factual Garabandal knowledge and personal knowledge of Conchita and Joey, people basically thought I was lying or making it up, so I was forced to prove a lot of it with pictures and data proving I do work for Joey’s volunteer apostolate and was friends with Conchita. The attacks are humorous to me at this point. I feel sorry for those who try to undermine the mission I was given. Its not me they are fighting against. READ ACTS 5 :39 “But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it, lest perhaps you be found even to fight against God. “
I understand Glenn.
Thank you for your efforts, and I’m sorry that you have to withstand the ugly comments.
God Bless:)
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Helen,
I’m not judging Paul. By you saying that, yiu are judging me. I’m not being self-righteous. I am stating Church Teaching. That’s what Catholics do.
Kelsey,
To state Church teachings is exactly what we should do. We do need to stand up for the Church today and get use to it. If we can’t do it now, we will have no hope when the Church is really under percecution.
You probably like me, are always questioning yourself. I know I often feel as if I am not righteous or good enough.
The closer one grows to Christ, the more you see yourself as unworthy. Your own faults become clearer.
So I encourage you to keep on standing for the Church, She is needing all the help she can get in this sad world we our living in.
God Bless you.
Thank you, Janine.
I agree wholeheartedly:)
Kelsey yes you are – you are a big old self righteous judge and jury and its easy to do behind the anonymity of a webpage and I am not being spiteful about Mr. Hudson – there are many people that he has upset and was spiteful too so if the cap fits wear it. I may not get to heaven as my human faults are many but sure maybe we can keep each other company downstairs
Judging by the way you speak to people, it sounds like you’re really looking forward to your trip down there. I’ll be praying for ya:)
Thanks for the chuckle;)
Kelsey I’m guessing that you are a good bit older than I am in that your an OAP so you will be downstairs ahead of me. You can keep a seat warm for me. Glenn you are the biggest fake going. You post a picture of yourself with Conchita just to show off. You were asked questions you couldn’t answer them. So many people on FB saw through you and were turned off the messages of Garabandal by you as it was ‘oh look at me Glenn’ plus you bulldozed your way into groups that were devoted to Maria Divine Mercy so you are just one big fraud and totally totally dishonest.
Helen,
I say this with concern:
Are you okay?
You are wildly lashing out at everyone in this forum and no one has done anything to you. I hope you are feeling well. If you don’t care for the people on this forum, why are you still on here?
Kelsey thank you but I didn’t ask nor do I want your prayers. I think you need them more than me.
That’s okay, I’ll pray for you anyway:)
Glenn you are a fraud – its the truth and you need to be told. I’m only one of many of people who find you a fraud.
You caught me, The pictures are faked of me with Joey, Conchita, Pope JPII, Mother Angelica ,all the others,lol. BTW, there has never been a question I have failed to answer, unlike MDM ers who cant answer why she cant accurately predict the future. Please go back the MDM boards and worship the unnamed prophet,these good people here are genuine and seek intelligent conversation and answers to questions, There were no arguments until you and your jealous ,petty ,small minded ,insulting self , surfaced. Bye bye now, your 10 minutes up.
I can’t say I ever saw Glenn as anything other then helping to spread the message of Garabandal but I could be wrong, however I didn’t get that impression.
We all have different opinions of the truth according to Jesus and I know many of you (except Helen) think I’m living in the wrong but we can only do what we believe in our hearts is right and true from our personal experience and our personal prayers with Christ.
Helen is right in that I did feel ganged up on because I am who I am from no choice of my own. I try to live the best way I can in what I have been given but I have tough skin at this point from a life time of being hurt and looked down upon. Jesus has strengthened me and although I still feel bad sometimes I have enough love for myself that I am fine in who I am today.
Please don’t Kelsey if you wish you can pray for my terminally husband. He needs them more than me. Now that I would appreciate.
Of course I will pray for your husband! I will include him in my rosary tonight. I’m so sorry Helen…
There is no need to be concerned for me and I’m not lashing out – just telling you guys a few home truths. That comment is a tad ott. I just want to support Paul in his bid to become a parent, I felt that you guys kinda ganged up on him and were a tad hurtful. I think you forgot that we are all human and not just you people who think they have answers for everything. Janine took it upon herself to speak for me and I took her to task for it. I’m not the only person who sees or saw through Glenn Hudson and he hurt a few people that I am close to on FB and used them and its not a nice thing to do.
Your photos more than likely are frauds Glenn (photoshop is great I’m well able to use it myself – better than you) and you poor eejet of a man you just cannot stop can you? You just have to show off. I’m not arguing with anyone Glenn – I just informed people what you did to friends of mine. So tell me why did you bulldoze your way into the MDM groups and made a big introduction and walked on people on the way. Your pride and arrogance just know no bounds do they? Your in for a big fall Glenn. I’ve been following this board for nearly two years so I think if anyone should leave it is you.
My intent was to defend Church Teaching on that one issue. I have a great deal of respect for Paul. He’s great to have on this forum! He has some of the most insightful and spiritual posts. Just because I’m standing my ground on that one issue, does not mean I think Paul is on the path to hell. As a Catholic, I will stand up for the Church. That doesn’t make me a saint. We’re all sinners, myself included, and fall short. We all have the same common enemy that deceives us all. I think as Christians, we should lift eachother up and intercede for one another. I don’t agree with Paul. He doesn’t agree with me. However, I don’t hate him. That I’m certain about.
Kelsey,
Yes we disagree on the gay issue and there is nothing I can say from my experience to change your mind and vis versa. There are a lot of other topics we do agree on but this is what makes all people different. My father used to say if you feel someone is in the wrong then pray for them but don’t make enemies out of them with words or actions. I guess we are all guilty of doing the latter. I guess that’s why Our Lady always says, ” pray, pray, pray”.
Helen, I am so sorry about your husbands condition and how the church has not been there for you. I can’t imagine what you must be going through but you can bet you and your family will always be in my prayers daily !
My friend Mike is a priest and I will ask him to offer masses for your husband. Can I have his first name?
I never intended to make you an enemy by disagreeing with you on this issue. I still respected you. I admit that it got heated because we both have strong views. I know that you are going to continue to defend your position, and so will I. I will say this: I will pray for you. Please pray for me as well.
Yes Paul I did feel you were boxing against a few in the ring and I feel bad I didn’t always jump in to help you but as you might have noticed in a previous post I have a few worries of my own. I feel totally totally let down by the Catholic Church, I’ve asked a priest to call to talk with my husband and three years later we are still waiting. My hubby has turned away from God and I’m not strong enough or good enough to bring him back but I keep trying. Anyway enough about my troubles there are others in the world worse off. God gave us free will and we have the right to chose our path and there is no point in dictating to others what “we” feel they should do. But watching the posts it did feel like you guys didn’t like Paul but I am open to correction on that one. I do urge everyone to be careful with Glenn Hudson – you might all think he is great – he “thinks” it himself poor chap.
Isn’t it interesting how EVERYONE has let you down,Hmmmm. Every Catholic church you’ve attended, there was a problem , your husband, people here on this board, other facebook boards,me. EVERYONE is at fault , I think the psychiatrist’s have a word for that.
I left all facebook groups when I found out that they really MDM groups in disguise. They try to link themselves to the Warning and Miracle,mentioned in Garabandal. What MDMers don’t understand is you cant follow her teachings and those of the Blessed Mother in Garabandal. Mary teaches OBEDIENCE to the church and Pope ! MDM says listen to me instead of them ,and spits outs garbage about this is the false Pope. If the humility of this pope is not more Christ like than almost any Pope we lived though , it shows how blind MDM is and her followers.
I invite all here to the “Message of Garabandal ” page to see what a horrible person I am. Good night, God bless all.
You aren’t a horrible person Glenn.
I hope you have a good night.
The vast majority on here appreciate your work.
Ah thank you Paul that is really nice but there is no need to go to any trouble, I will keep working away on my husband. Our little girl is making her FHC next year so I am very very very hopeful that something wonderful will happen. So we can leave it in God’s hands. Glen as usual you have it totally wrong, EVERYONE has not let me down, no not every Catholic Church I attended – where did you get that from? Are you on something? Oh yeah yourself. You didn’t let me down Glenn as I saw through you from the word go! Get over yourself. You’ve some neck.
Barbara,
If you are still here, I hope you stay. You have not had a very nice introduction to this forum.
This is the negative of not being able to ‘delete’.
Paul, I think you know that I don’t hate you at all. In fact I like you. I just don’t agree in same sex marriage and adoption. That is all. No one ever ganged up on ‘you’.
I can tell you all. I fear the thought of Hell. I would never accept that as the place for me. To get to Heaven is never an easy road, but we could be the lucky ones and get there if we recognise Jesus in His visitation. This I once tried to explain to you through St Faustina’s Diary.
Some times it is just better to ignore some people.
Matthew 15
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
So let’s go back to good ‘old fashion’ Catholic talk.
Sometimes we will agree, sometimes we won’t.
But no one should recieve personal attacks.
I’m off to morning mass now, and will remember you all there.
When I saw this posted….
johnkonnor72 | April 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm
http://medjugorje1.blogspot.ca/
I thought.. “Oh no, someone has come on here just to promote Medjugorje.”
But for some reason or other, I read this link.
John is not promoting Medjugorje at all. In fact he is showing why he doesn’t believe it true.
Then I thought. Is he Deacon John who I believe is another promoter of Garabandal?
Is this right John?
Or did you come on to promote your own blog?
It sort of makes you question yourself. So I ask. Why do I come on here? I have no personal gain.
I first started talking here in search or excitment about Garabandal.
But now as I don’t believe it was the Mother of God who was appearing there, why do I still speak?
I went through the process of start of doubt here, to fully not believing.
So I wanted to help others in seeing why I don’t believe.
I can see Garabandal takes us away from recognising Jesus’ visitation as He tells us through St Faustina.
So I am here still because I love our Church in what it stands for. I like to speak about the truths of the Church.
So that is why I a here.
You know. All these false prophets/seers have got the same thing in common. They have got promoters who take it upon themselves to do a job in which is against our Holy Church.
If we can just wrap ourselves around the words of Jesus, we would be fine. We really need nothing else.
Do you agree?
Janine, Im not sure what you site as an example of ” Garabandal takes us away from recognizing Jesus” , but I must disagree. IN fact, our Blessed Mother points us TO JESUS in both of her messages. Here is her first sentence ” We must make many sacrifices, perform much penance, and visit the Blessed Sacrament frequently.”. In both of her messages, Jesus in the focus , asking us to return to him .Mary did nothing but reinforce the great importance of mass, communion, confession, the rosary and penance in Garabandal.
Glenn,
Yes that is true. Our Lady always points to her son. It reminds me of the Cana story when she said,” do what he tell you”.
Mary’s last words to us in her 2nd message were: ” Think about the passion of Jesus.”
Hi Glenn,
The discription of what Conchita said and what Jesus told St Faustina is so different.
Jesus said to St Faustina “He is coming in His unfathamable Divine Mercy” and “Woe to those who do not recognise My visitation”
Garabandal says He is coming with a ‘warning’.
So if people have a mindset that when this great moment happens, that it is a ‘warning’ they will not recognise His visitation.
This is a huge problem for the salvation of souls.
SATAN DOE’S NOT WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW JESUS IS COMING IN MERCY, NOT A WARNING.
Garabandal prophecies say…
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A world wide warning that will happen in the sky…like a collision of two stars that do not fall down…It will frighten all humanity regardless where one happens to be at the time….it will be a thousand times worse than earthquakes….like a fire that will not burn your flesh….it will last a very short time, although to us it will seem like a very long time…no one can prevent it from happening…It will be recognised as coming from God…it will resemble a punishment…it is meant to be a purification…like the relevation of our sins and what we will feel in our hearts will be worse than sorrow. It will not kill us, if we die it will be caused by the emotion within us.
Jesus said to St Faustina….
“Write this: Before I come as a just Judge, I am coming first as a King of Mercy. Before the day of justice arrives, there will be given to people a sign in the heavens of this sort:
All the light in the heavens will be extinguished, and there will be great darkness over the whole earth. Then the sign of the cross will be seen in the sky, and from the openings where the hands and the feet of the saviour were nailed will come forth great lights which will light up the earth for a period of time. This will take place shortly before the last day.”
Hi Janine, I think this is almost the same when you realize what the “Warning ” is. It is Jesus coming to us in his divine Mercy,he is giving us a chance to see our souls as he sees it, and people will recognize that this could ONLY come from God,so how is that any different than what St. Faustina said ?
Glenn,
I interpreted the illumination of souls, the warning and or Jesus coming as merciful King as the same thing. I just think people call it different things but even as merciful king he still will show us how we sin, make errors and how are behavior effects others thus a change in consciousness for all people. Do you interpreted it as such too ?
Another terror plot disrupted by Canadian authorities in City of Quebec with their transportation system via CNN. Wow – think we are going to see an increase in attempts. We need prayers.
Paul, this would be my personal opinion. The “Warning or Illumination of Souls” is the same event. THe one interesting thing I learned from conversations with Conchita is that not only will we be shown our sins and offenses,but THE GOOD WE SHOULD HAVE DONE ! I think to myself,wow ! How many times did I not realize I should have been proactive, and missed the opportunity ( by mistake or on purpose). I do not equate this to the second coming of Christ ,I think that is a seperate event ,when he returns to earth.
Glenn,
I agree. I always thought they were one and the same as well…
That’s right Glenn, I did hear that too that the good we could have / should have done will also be shown. It’s like a lesson, don’t do that but rather be a carrier of my love and do this…
Paul,
Thought you would love this. I did.
Janine,
Can u send again? What you sent me the screen was just black. I could not see what you sent me. Thanks
OOOOOPS. Sorry Paul. I quickly posted it and then went to bed.
Maybe click this link
Scientific Proof of a Eucharistic Miracle in Buenos Aires – YouTube
ok. It didn’t work LOL.
Maybe just ‘google’ it.
Glen said…
“Hi Janine, I think this is almost the same when you realize what the “Warning ” is. It is Jesus coming to us in his divine Mercy,he is giving us a chance to see our souls as he sees it, and people will recognize that this could ONLY come from God,so how is that any different than what St. Faustina said ?”
Now Glenn, ‘Almost’ the same, is not ‘the same’.
So how is it different to what St Faustina said?
One is Glorious which gives hope. One is terrifying which is scary.
One says the sky will go dark, and Jesus comes in Mercy. We should welcome this.
The other says the collision will make the sky light up and it is going to be terrifying that much so some might even ‘die’…….. This does not sound like a merciful Jesus.
St Faustina tells it in a way which is the most important in saving souls. To save your soul, to save your children’s souls.
Jesus told St Faustina He is coming in His Mercy and if we recognise His visitation, we can enter the new life where there is no suffering. “Woe to those who do not recognise My visitation”.
One causes fear for the time of His visitation, the other gives hope.
Jesus doesn’t give fear, Satan does that.
So if one chooses to see this visitation as a warning and not Jesus’ Merciful Final Coming…..
Yes. Jesus told St Faustina. ‘She’ will prepare the world for His Final Coming.
Above all. No matter what you or I say, There is a good reason why the Church has condemned these prophecies.
They are the experts on these issues.
Janine ,are you talking about St Faustina’s vision of the “Warning ” or The second Coming ? Second, the Church NEVER condemned Garabandal, they said it was not supernatural , huge difference. They have not stopped Priests or the laity from going there, that would be condemned, it is now. Mass is celebrated there all the time, my friends just got back, so I know this for certain.
Good God, go away for a few days to see my sick brother and you are all tearing each other apart!! What’s this a verbal web site attack!! Come on you lot cut it out – when you see a dear brother dying you just want to reach and be close to each other. Oh Helen, I am just so sad that priest has not turned up for your husband, can you find a decent priest somewhere who can be there for you and you husband, good reliable priest who can pray over your husband. Where have things gone wrong when you cannot relay on your own priest ? That is one of his main duties the last rites when someone is close to death. As I wrote once before we have lovely priests here. Poor Glen is getting a hard time, Helen go easy, I know you are going through a bad time, my sister-in-law, is also with my brother dying, tone things down a bit, lets all have a civil conversation – but I do admit I laughed so loud at some of your comments, our dog outside started barking!! Not just yours Helen but the others also – youre a fiery bunch!!!!But, it is also great to have a little bite, but done an little more kindly! Are any of you interested in going to Medjugorje, Fatima, Lourdes & Garabandal next year? Ive done these trips before and loved them so much that wish to go again next year, not too sure what month, probably May/August/September, after that I have always wanted to see Ireland, England & maybe Scotland, see what happens a? But, if any of you would be interested let me know. Janine, about La Salette, I went there in 2010 with my elder sister and a Australian Tour called Harvest, fanastic place, but interesting enough the priest who spoke to us from there, from that region, said Melanie was a bit disturbed towards the end of her life and the bit about the anti-pope is untrue, she more or less said this is what they want to hear, which she meant the people, they wanted more to the messages, so she gave them more!!! And this priest reckons the anti-pope bit is untrue and not to be taken seriously. Otherwise Ive always have a great likeness for Melanine & Maxium, the area is stunning, the huge monstary were we stayed overnight was lovely and outside our bedroom window was the walk to the cross on the hill. The mountain is beautiful Our Lady seems to like mountains and children running up and down hills dousnt she? But, funny enough even though this priest told us this message, is that really true – or is it something the Church dousnt want people to hear or know about – makes you think! Perhaps the Church is not happy – and what Chuch would be -if there was any sort of anti-pope on the horozion!!? This morning,usually on a Tuesday morning, I watch the channel Shine, with Charles Price, boy, does he have wonderful talks – today he was speaking about the devil….. and one thing he said quite impressed me was…..If the devil reminds you of your sins.,remind him of his future!!! Because th rotten thing has no future! Great a? Bye for now, Barbara.
Hi Barbara,
Everything is fine now.
I’m sorry to hear about your brother. I’ll keep him in my prayers.
God Bless:)
Hello Glenn,
Sorry. I will try and make this clearer.
St Faustina NEVER had a vision of any ‘warning’
The only ones that I am aware of that talk of a ‘warning’ are Garabandal and MDM.
Although Jesus did tell her, we will see our sins we have done, but that is ‘only’ because what The Father had once decided upon doesn’t change.
This is not a warning, it is like a mini judgement.
This is what Jesus is talking about when He says we can not fatham the great mercy He is going to give us.
It is because we are so sinful and so hateful and so unforgiving, we can’t understand such goodness given to us, as we are so unworthy.
So for those who recognise His ‘visitation’ will then go through His door of Mercy where there is no suffering.
But woe to those who do not recognise His visitation, because His Door of Mercy will close and His door of Justice will open.
This is His Final Coming!
This is Satan’s last chance to stop souls recieving this Great unfathamable Divine Mercy of Jesus.
I do not want to get into ‘any’ arguements over this.
All I want to do is to show you the way in which Jesus is wanting it and that is the way of the Church and through authentic words of the saints.
So feel free to ask questions. I only want to help.
God Bless.
No argument here, I think I confused a statement you made ,and it lead to this misunderstanding, on my part. When you said “Garabandal says He is coming with a ‘warning’.” I thought you were saying St. Faustina had a different take on the Warning. We are talking about two different things. I am referring to the “interior warning” we will receive ( Jesus will not be coming then ). You are referring to the 2nd coming. So they are not the same as you stated, I confused what you were saying ,so we agree these are 2 separate events , right ?
Hi Barbara,
I am glad you are back.
No. It hasn’t been a good week here.
Sorry too to hear about your brother.
I am glad to hear you went to La Salette. I went there last year. What a beautiful spot. When we arrived snow and cloud came in so we couldn’t see the view unfortunately. But we did see it from under 1km down the hill.
Yes the messages of La Salette are still very important for today. Although the problem is even greater than ever.
Yes, unfortunately something happened for the children to be taken to the dark side of prophecy.
Have you noticed what prophecies all talk about bad priests antipopes.
None are approved prophecies.
Satan wants us to think indifferently of our priests and Pope.
I have been tonMedj, Garabandal, Fatima and Lourdes.
I have to say Lourdes is the most incredible.
And the procession in Fatima is so wonderful. To be in those grounds where all those people witnessed the miracle of the sun. WoW!
Might go again to Lourdes next year.
You said….If the devil reminds you of your sins.,remind him of his future!!! Because th rotten thing has no future!
So true. In the end Our Lady’s Immaculate heart will triumph.
So gald you’re back here Barbara. I thought we’d scared you away.
Can’t scare me away you guys, thank Kelsey & janine. Janine, you have been to Medjugorje, what do you think of the place? o you not believe Our Lady is appearing there? Why are you so against the place? Yes Janine the processions of both Fatima & Lourdes are fantastic – very spiritual – and what about the houses where these kids lived – unbelievable!! The funnyist thing was I had been to Fatima twice and then the third time I went actually got to see the Fatima Family back yard and orchard trees, and it was so peaceful there(so many groups, that you get rushed & miss out on things) the feeling is a glorious peace just like the hills in Medjugorje and the pines at Garabandal. When I last went to Medjugorje in 2011 there were more shops!!! The place is getting huge …. but once you get into that Church,its like a different place, the stations of the Cross are everywhere. But as I said before the Holy Hour is unbelivable, what sheer peace… Janine how could you possibley not believe in Medjugorje!?? What happened for you to doubt the place? Vicka has had her 4th back operation in Rome, she suffers alot, surely you would find her a suffering soul, to be a good example, as she suffers like the Fatima children, they had ropes around their waists and gave away their lunches to the poor, and Bernadette suffered very much from her asthma, nuns, and people who lived in her village… while Im on about Lourdes, I have that wonderful dvd The Song of Bernadette, which I have lent to a few people who are going to Lourdes this month, well boy did that dvd travel, so many people did not realise how much little Bernadette suffered! and it is a lovely story and Bernadette is played by Jenniffer Jones, she played a great role, I also saw this story at the pictures when I was at school when I was a young girl. So, what I am getting at is a suffering person is meant to be closer to God and doing Gods will. About my darling brother, the doctors are only giving him 6 – 8 weeks, he is very yellow, whites of his eyes yellow, and not good. He is the best of brothers and love him dearly. We hope he has a happy death – but of course I could not say that to him. We just talked normally about our lives etc.And just said how much I loved him.He was 14 years old when I was born, he is my God-father, my parents had 10 children 5 boys & 5 girls, I am the youngest, now when Bernard goes there will be eight of us left, as my older sister died many years ago, she was born slow, and died of a heart attack.. But I;ll tell you all I had a wonderful childhood, even though dad liked the drink, we were a close and loving family. Both my parents have past on. But, never mind life goes on, so let our dissussions be a little more positive – Now Janine – you really have to believe in Medjugorje…..Ha ha….a little light heartness there! God bless Barbara
Barbara,
I can totally relate to the peacefulness that you are describing. I have been to Medjugorje twice, and while I haven’t personally seen the sun spin, there was a spectacular sign that happened when I went back in ’05, on the feast day of our guardian angels that everybody present witnessed. I personally feel that Medjugorje is a place where Heaven touches earth. I haven’t been to Garabandal, but would like to someday along with Lourdes and Fatima.
Barbara, when I went to Medj, I was a believer. When I was there, I really didn’t get the ‘same feel’ about the place compared to the other spots. I was disappointed I wasn’t given any special graces.
But I only believed because the lovely ladies at the church gave me information about it. I only assumed they knew what they were talking about.
But unfortunately these ladies and probably you too, only recieve information from the promoters of these ‘alleged’ apparition places.
It was Aviso, on this forum who showed me something which led me to doing my own investigating.
I needed to know the truth.
From that day on, (which was about 13 mths ago) I offer my mind for spiritual knowledge at the daily mass.
I do this with trust in Jesus. But I also do it by letting go of my own thoughts and beliefs.
This is the key for finding the truth.
If you ask the Lord, but not willing to see yourself wrong, ones mind can’t change.
I have a long list of reasons to prove it is NOT The Mother of God appearing in Medj.
The first thing that I noticed is the wealth being made by the seers there.
You know, Garabandal changed my life around. It nearly hit me for six when The Good Lord showed me The Mother of God did not appear there either.
One thing I did, was I was very careful to where I recieved my information. With Medj I actually recieved 1st hand information.
Anyway, I really don’t want to upset anyone here.
But if you sincerely want to know why it is obvious that it is not Mary appearing in these places, I am happy to help.
But at the end of the day. Once again 33 out of 34 Bishops have said ‘It is not The Mother of God appearing in Medjugorje.”
Since this year, I stay very close to the Church in what they say.
We are living in unusual times. This I believe are the times in which Jesus warned us about…that “even if possible the elect will follow the false prophet.”
Obedience to the church is very important. Jesus is our Church.
Janine , may I ask how this was done, when you said ” You know, Garabandal changed my life around. It nearly hit me for six when The Good Lord showed me The Mother of God did not appear there either.”
Oh Barbara, Seeing where Bernadette lived and where the children of Fatima lived was amazing. You could go back in time, couldn’t you?
I will answer Glenn and you together here….
Yes, ofcourse mass is being said in Garabandal and in Medjugorje. These our Catholic parishes, so the Church is obligated to provide Mass to help lead the faithful.
In Garabandal, they are not permitted to say mass at ‘the pines’.
In Medjugorje, there are priests who have been expelled or suspended who still say masses, and do weddings. People are not aware these masses and weddings are not acknowledged within the church.
Imagine recieving communion that is not consetrated? Because this is what is happening. There is known disobedience of priests connected to the apparitions there.
I love The Song of Bernadette and the Fatima movies.
When I went to these religious places. I went alone. Going in a group has too many distractions. People talk and don’t respect the fact they ask you to be quiet in the grounds of Fatima and Lourdes.
Speaking of these places, makes me want to go back.
Barbara said……
“About my darling brother, the doctors are only giving him 6 – 8 weeks, he is very yellow, whites of his eyes yellow, and not good. He is the best of brothers and love him dearly. We hope he has a happy death –”
I am sorry to hear this.
Do you know about the Divine Mercy?
Do you know what you can do for your brother at the moment of death?
If you say the chaplet at the hour of death, Jesus promises to stand between him and God the Father as an act of mercy.
I did this for someone a few years ago. It is an amazing grace.
Morning Barbara,
I’m a big believer in Medjugorje and when I went with my parents in 1987 we all witnessed the miracle of the sun ! We saw it during the time Our Lady was appearing to the visionaries. People were looking up and crying, shaking and some on thier knees. It was amazing and such a gift from God. I remember distinctively right before Our Lady appeared, the birds in the trees were extremely loud and flying all around the trees as if someone had disturbed their nests but at the moment Our Lady appeared, it was silent. The birds suddenly stopped flying and didnt make a peep. I thought that was very interesting. The Church has never condemned Medjugorje but did take the matter out of the bishops hands and now it is in the hands of the Vatican.
Hi Janine,
Yes I have been able to show you the true about Medjugorje but i am quite sad about what you think NOW about Garabandal and between us very Sad especially today because of my country France and his vote for the Gay wedding, I have few confidences from the village, one is about a Bishop who died in a terrible car accident, this Bishop was a ennemy of our Lady of Garabandal like you today, we found him in his accidented car, defaced but the most amazing was his hands, they were black like burns, we have understood later that his hands have signed a document against our Lady of Garabandal, please googled this story and you may found out the full story if not let me know and I will email you it to you.
PS : I have decided today to be back online and everywhere, my goal : a promess to our Lady, especially our Lady of Garabandal, for the rest, let me repeat to you, take your hand and count your fingers, it is the time you have only.
Aviso
HI Barbara, am so so sorry to hear about your brother. I will keep you and your brother and family in my prayers at this difficult time.
I went to Medjugorje in 07 for a week. It was lovey there and we stood outside Marija’s house for a talk from her. What was amazing for me as our group led one of the English speaking Masses in the church and I was lead soprano and it was wonderful to sing some of our hymns in Irish. I went to Fatima on two occasions on a day trip while on holidays in Portugal but the best experience for me was working as a helper in the hospital in Lourdes – I did that for about 12 years but not actually able to afford that trip any more. Hopefully I will return to Lourdes some day. Paul that was an amazing experience you had in Medjugorje.
Welcome back Aviso ! Would you be kind enough to email me that story of the priest. Thank you friend.- Glenn
This is short and sweet, because I don’t have much time.
But as for people seeing the sun spin or any other odd behavior.
Remember: Jesus saying to us in the Gospel, that during the time of the false prophet, there will be many ‘wonders’ performed.
Listen to what the Church says. For your own sakes and for your children’s sake, because I am sure you are loving parents who like me want to guide them in the way of the Lord.
Glenn I will get back to you with your question, I have 4 very busy days.
God Bless.
I can’t speak for others, but what happened to me in Medjugorje was personal, beautiful and couldn’t possibly come from Satan. Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as the church hasn’t definitely said one thing or another, but I believe. If the Church in it’s wisdom has deemed that it is found to be untrue, then I will respectfully submit to what the Church has decided.
As a side note, I would like to ask for prayers that I’m finally able to rid our home of this nasty flu bug. As always, I’m praying for each one of you. God Bless!
Hi Glenn,
The story of the terrible death of this Bishop will be on my blog soon as many other strange death of different ennemies of our Lady of Garabandal, it’s not a fiction from a Garabandalist but the reality, soon more details :
http://garabandalnews.overblog.com/
For the rest, remember my question to Conchita my Friend then you know how to contact me to send me her reply.
Take care, Aviso.
Aviso, thank you for the link. I did not forget your question,I will ask her hopefully this week. Peace brother.
Is anyone here aware of the appearances of Out Lady in Zaytung Eqypt ? She showed herself on and off for 2-3 yrs in the 60′s by appearing on top of St. Mary’s church commemorating the spot where Mary & Joseph fled with the infant Jesus to escape Harods killing of all newborn children to age 2 in Bethlehem and surrounding areas. Millions of people from all religions, faiths and Athiests saw her. You can u-tube it and see these incredible pics of her made of light with doves flying over her head also made of light. On u – tube there are some documentaries explaining it.
Yes, I am quite familiar with it. The image of Mary floating above the church is miraculous and inspiring .
Done my Friend, below :
http://garabandalnews.overblog.com/bishop-puchol-an-enemy-of-garabandal
And don’t forget to remind it to them everywhere online, as you surely know and Conchita will confirm it to you as well if necessary and if you ask her, we don’t play with our Lady of Garabandal, not yesterday, not today and not tomorrow.
Take Care, Aviso.
Wow, odd story about the bishop in the car accident.
To all those who are believers in Medhugorje. Linda Christy has had a deformed spine for the past 18 yrs and could only walk with crutches. In 2009 she was confined to a wheelchair due to a worsening of her condition. She went to Medjugorje in June 2010 and was able to walk up apparition hill by herself and without any help or assistance. She has walked independently since. Her spine remains deformed and this is why doctors cannot explain how she can stand and now walk normally. Another documented miracle.
Hi Janine. I have just heard the commision looking into Medjorgie have a very positive report going back to Pope Francis.Also it was reported that John Paul 11 used to ask the pilot to fly his plane over Medjorgie so that he could bless it as he flew over.So it looks like the church is going to favour it sooner rather than later.ps Hope you and Denis and family are well
Hi John,
Hope you and your family are well like we are.
I was only thinking of you all the other day.
In reply to what you have just said…
I have heard it all before. What you have to understand is, this sort of information is given out by either ‘promoters’ or by the ‘medj sites’. And both only give you information they want you to know. Some things they tell you are truths that are terribly twisted.
Don’t you really think the Church would have ‘approved’ these apparitions by now if Pope JP11 or Pope Benedict or now Pope Francis had ‘believed’ them?
Ofcourse they would have!
But the fact is none of them ‘believed’. They have left it to the Bishops, as it is the Bishop’s job to declare apparitions true or false. 34 out of 35 Bishops of Medjugorje have declared it ‘false’.
Sorry, I was going to leave this conversation, but someone has to stand up for what the church is saying. I don’t think it is right that we say the Pope said this or that when it is not officially documented anywhere of such words. It only seems to be documented by these promoters.
I keep on saying… We are living in the times of the ‘false prophets’. We need to be very careful. We need to listen to the church on all matters.
Take note: Many of these false prophets have got one thing in common. They make us think our church, priests are wrong. Satan hates our Church, because he knows Jesus is our Church.
Jesus said “You are either for me or against me”
Medjugorje followers – do not let Janine sway you away from what you know in your heart. She has her opinion but she comes across as she only knows the truth and is very self righteous about it, arrogant if you will in my opinion. I’m tired of hearing you bash it constantly. If you don’t believe in Medjugorje, fine but please stop the attitude as if you and you alone know all there is to know about Medjugorje. We who believe will continue to believe so do yourself a favor and let it go.
Yes Janine, I try to do the Divine Mercy every day when I can, I went to mid-day Mass to day as I do every Friday, and then at 3p.m. went back to the Church and said the Divine Mercy, especailly for my brother,ever since he got sick I have been saying this lovely prayer for Bernard, he is slipping very quickly, as the stent they put in his bile duct as stopped working weeks ago and his liver levels are too high, he has a tumor in his bile duct, and now his body is poisioning itself. Bernard lives in Wellington, which is the capital city of N.Z. – to get there Allan & I travel to Nelson or Christchurch, then the plane to Wellington, the plane is only 30 minutes…….but that is not the point, if I had my way I wish to be with my brother all the time, but we have to respect the wishes of his wife Patricia as she has to deal with his illness every day, now that he is home, his grown up children are there now. My sisters Kate & Yvonne have just got back from seeing him and now my sister Mary is going up tomorrow, and in between time my four brothers and wives are there as well….. it is just too much. Now, Bernard cannot get out of the hospital bed, the hospital, have provided for him, he is only awake for a short time, his life on earth is coming to a close. I pay for him every day. Helen, you dear woman, I salute you for your work at Lourdes for 12 years, you brought a tear to my eyes, for Lourdes is a marvellous place, but so sad to see all the sick!! You must be a compassionate woman to do such patient work! I have some more bad news , my son-in-laws sister Cheryl, only 41 is riddled with cancer, in her blood stream, lymph nodes, and other breast…..she has already had one breast off 3 years ago……Rebecca, my daughter, and husband Vern and daughter Zoe live in Melbourne, and Cheryl and her children live near them……….but the b………cancer seem to be every where!!!!! Janine, dear woman, you cannot convince me that Medjugorje & Garabandal are not true, I just believe in these places and events too much. And I am going back next year, and going to say to Our Lady :I’m Back:!!!!!I just receives the latest Garabandal Magazine, and describing the warning better by Conchita, the warning is not a comet, or anything like that, but a heavenly light, that cannot be described, I still think it is the Holy Spirit.Do you guys know that Lucy from Fatima was seeing an angel in 1915 & 1916, with a couple of girls, not Jacinta & Francisico, so that still convinces me that the Miracle of Garabandal could be in 2015.Yes Paul I read about that woman in Medjugorje being cured, but still her spine is deformed, crazy, but wonderful A? In one of my Medjugorje magazine recenly there was a story about this Russian girl took a heap of Russian doctors to Medjugorje, some of these doctors had done abortions, one woman doctor said… that no sooner had she started climbling Appariation Hill, she saw hundres of tiny sculls of tiny babies!!!! All the babies she had aborted!!!! The story was very long, but that was the main theme of it, and how her life had changed and also the other doctors refused now to do any abortions.. so many good things come out of Medjugorje, if the devil is behind it all, he is doing a pretty bad job, as the confessions are full, when we had our english mass, the italians are banging on the doors to get in- as they like to file in before our mass is finished, so they bare the doors, so the italians cannot get in until our mass is finished!!!!!! It is so funny – here we have people racing in to get to mass, and on the other side of the world people cant wait to get out, or dont want to go near a church….Italians are nice people, but boy do they talk!!!I have met some wonderful people in Medjugorje, and on my travels, and I do love Our Lady & Our Lord very much, just wish they let us on a few secrets too. Bye for now Barbara
Aviso; What do you mean about the hand, and that is the time we have left?? Do you mean 5 years??? Please tell us more, as when I try to connect into your forum I cannot get in to it .. please explain. Barbara
Below Barbara, try again and it should works :
http://garabandalnews.overblog.com/
Aviso
Aviso said…….
“I have few confidences from the village, one is about a Bishop who died in a terrible car accident, this Bishop was a ennemy of our Lady of Garabandal like you today, we found him in his accidented car, defaced but the most amazing was his hands, they were black like burns, we have understood later that his hands have signed a document against our Lady of Garabandal, please googled this story and you may found out the full story if not let me know and I will email you it to you.
PS : I have decided today to be back online and everywhere, my goal : a promess to our Lady, especially our Lady of Garabandal, for the rest, let me repeat to you, take your hand and count your fingers, it is the time you have only.
Aviso.”
Oh my. Am I reading this wrong? But The Mother of God is love, She is not vengeful. But do you think She would do such a thing just because someone doesn’t believe it is Her that came to Garabandal?
And I, because I am warning people with care, informing them in what the church says because the ‘promoters’ don’t.
But am I reading it like I need to take my hand and count my fingers?
All I do is speak of the truth.
I even admit it was because of Garabandal I changed my life. But I am aware of the decietful ways of satan.
Unfortunately you promoters only promote what you want people to hear.
Why don’t you tell us what the church says. Tell it all and not just some.
Seriously. If anyone believes The Mother of God is vengeful, they do not know The Blessed Virgin as I know Her.
Kelsie said…
“I can’t speak for others, but what happened to me in Medjugorje was personal, beautiful and couldn’t possibly come from Satan. Certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as the church hasn’t definitely said one thing or another, but I believe. If the Church in it’s wisdom has deemed that it is found to be untrue, then I will respectfully submit to what the Church has decided. ”
Hi Kelsie
Would you really like to know what the Church has said?
Would you change your mind if you saw the church’s writings about Medjugorje?
If you really want to know, I will show you.
If you don’t want to know, I will leave it.
I know minds are usually set. Barbara has said she won’t change her mind.
Very few people really want to know the truth, because it means change.
But I am happy to help anyone to find the truth.
I don’t want ‘anyone’ to be decieved.
But I don’t want to get into a slinging match.
No Janine, I will not change my mind, at least at this time. The investigation isn’t complete for us to know the final word of Our Church on Medjugorje. So in the meantime, I will go by the mass conversions, the thousands of souls who have come back to the Church, and the beautiful spiritual fruits that spurred lukewarm followers of Christ into becoming devout ones. I agree with Barbara. If this is Satan’s work, he isn’t doing such a great job.
God Bless.
Hi Kelsey,
That’s fine. Just thought I’d ask, as you sounded as if you were interested in hearing what the church has already said on this matter.
This is the perfect blog for everyone who wants to understand this topic.
You understand so much its almost hard to argue with you (not that I personally will need to…HaHa).
You definitely put a brand new spin on a subject that’s been discussed for decades. Wonderful stuff, just great!
Elena,
Lol
Are u being sarcastic?
Hi Elana, and welcome!
Nothing like democracy.
Nothing like being able to see two sides to a story.
I hope you aren’t just being sarcastic as Paul suggests.
You may have come on to speak about Garabandal. I suppose there is only so much to be said. But you can ask and comment about anything that might help you in your faith.
I dont believe Elena is being sarcastic, just finding our topics so juicy, which they are, we are all differnet the way we approach Garabandal & Medjugorje, but the same in our love for Jesus & Mary. It is a shame about that video of Vicka, and I have seen it before Aviso, and it certainly caused me to think about her reaction, and what she said afterwards about her reason why she reacted in that way, as she thought Our Lady was going to drop Jesus!?!! Hmmmm dont know what to say I can say though I am very disappointed in her answer. But Aviso & Janine, I just love Medjugorje so much, so many good things have happened to me there, the adoration, as I’ve said before is very beautiful, spiritual, and besides, Fatima, Lourdes, Garabandal, Medjugorje is the icing on the cake – Medjugorje has opened my heart, like no other place could possibly do. I look at the positive and good stuff of Medjugorje – and I agree with you Janine Our Lady is not vengeful – but satan can be! Thanke Kelsey for agreeing with me about satans work. Love this discussion, now Janine, what about telling me why you went off Medjugorje?? My dear brother is now in a coma, God bless his dear soul.. Bye for now Barbara
Prayers for you brother will be offered to Jesus in His Divine Mercy.
Hi Barbara,
I just wanted to share my opinion on the Viska video. Yes the explanation Viska gave as to why she reacted I believe is an untruth. I feel she obviously saw something coming fast into her eye and reacted by quickly moving back. All these years the visionaries have said they see nothing around them except Our Lady but no one also has ever tried to jab something in a visionaries eyes. Now none of us have been in an ecstatic state so we do not know what it is like to be in ecstasy. I feel when they said to Viska that she reacted I believe she was scared because they have always said they only see her. She probably should have said I saw something coming into my vision and I guess I reacted so as to not get poked. She prob thought if she said that, that the men testing her would say, see, she is lying because they say they only see Our Lady and nothing else. Who are we to say that in ecstasy that if an object comes in fast to the eye that at some point the person can then see it as it almost touched the eye. I do not discredit Medjugorje at all because of this. No one ever said a visionary is perfect, they still get scared, sad, nervous and are only human. God bless you.
Dear Barbara,
I’m praying for your family and your dear brother. I’ll pray a Divine Mercy Chaplet for him.
God Bless
Barbara said….
“Love this discussion, now Janine, what about telling me why you went off Medjugorje??”
Barbara, I love many discussions also. But I don’t think I will answer your question.
Paul has just called me “Self righteous” and “arrogant”.
You know there are words I could have called Paul and one another in some point in time. But I don’t think it is very nice to name call. To name call is not helpful to anyone.
Besides, I don’t see why I need to say why I don’t believe in Medjugorje, even if I have ‘first’ hand information. If anyone wants to know because they are concerned about following a false prophet, then that is different. But Barbara, you have already said you would never change your mind. So I think whatever I say will just cause an arguement.
At the end of the day, I listen to more than just what the promoters of prophecies and I definately listen to the Church has to say.
But I will take this moment to say what a priest said to me not too many weeks ago.
When I told him what so many catholics are following he said to me…. “You know you can’t tell them? And if you do they can become quite nasty.”
But even so, he encouraged me.
We are living in ‘end times’ (I think). There are false prophets everywhere. Same sex marriage is like a cancer as France has now legalised it too. Satan knows by attacking ‘the family’ is going to cause a domino effect on humanity. Abortion is growing at an increasing rate, only the other day here in Australia they have introduce the abortion pill in which you can take in the privacy of home, and they put such a ‘caring’ spin on it.
Any sin can be put in a way that sounds so ‘good’. Just like false prophecy is put to sound ‘wonderful’.
Anyway, what do i know? I am just arrogant and self righteous!
So don’t listen to me. The world is looking in great shape and I will die with my hands burnt for trying to show others something that is not from Divine.
God bless you cousin.
One thing i cannot understand is that most of us on here go to Mass say the rosary and the Devine Mercy so why does some of us believe in Garabandal and others dont.Is it because God only wants some of us to get to Heaven.Our Lady has said to pray the Rosary and She will put her mantle around us.Maybe those who say Garabandal is false say a better rosary than those of us that believe.
hhahahaha
John, I can only assume you are using that wonderful Irish humour.
God wants everyone to get to Heaven.
Thank you Kelsey and Janine for praying for Bernard, he is now in a coma, so this week will probably be the end of my brothers life. Janine, I know what Paul calls you, its only an expression, hes a good guy at heart……..come on Janine you have to reveal all must know what has put you off Medjugorje…. dont worry about our comments…. we cant reach out and hit you?!!!!? Ha Ha. This is a discussion group…..lets discusss, let it all out!!!
Janine,
I don’t consider by saying self-righteous and arrogant calling names. They are words I feel communicate your attitude and approach. Why do I say this? Because from the start you come out swinging on bashing Medjugorje any opportunity you get and making those of us who believe feel as if we are following satan. If you don’t agree fine, just say I’m sorry but I don’t share your belief and leave it at that, Janine you and I agree on many thing but probably disagree on more. I respect you very much even if you might not think so.
Oh Barbara. Maybe no one can ‘hit me’. But words hurt more.
I would be terribly wounded if I ‘revealed all’. LOL
There is no point. I can only see excuses made up for any bad fruits, so I will leave it unless anyone is really wanting to know. But wanting to know for the right reasons.
It isn’t easy to stand alone. But I do it with good faith and remind myself of how Jesus often stood alone, He often said things that people didn’t want to hear.
But I must be a coward. I am holding back, Jesus didn’t.
I understand that Janine says that all the positive Medjugorje news comes from “promoter” websites and so therefore it should be dismissed. I’ve noticed that the opposite is true as well. The only negative news concerning Medjugorje comes from websites that are biased in the opposite direction. Should they be dismissed on that account as well?
My point is:
In our secular world, it’s not like there are any middle of the road unbiased websites so I don’t understand how one can say that one is wrong because it happens to “promote” and one is right just because it “detracts”. My problem is having someone say basically, “You’re wrong because I say you’re wrong even though the Church hasn’t decided one way or the other. You are being deceived by the devil because you look at websites that are biased, even though my websites are biased too”. That’s the message that I keep getting. I have seen and read the accounts that both sides have to offer with an open mind. I believe in Medjugorje. I see the fruits; the conversions, the joy, the vibrant Christianity.
I will say it again: We are not compromising our souls by believing in Medjugorje. I appreciate the well-meaning concern.
Very good point Kelsey, very good point !
Kelsey,
That is a very good point.
But don’t you think that I would have already known this?
I DID beleive.
One doesn’t take this change of heart lightly. I certainly didn’t want this change of heart on either Medj or especially Garabandal.
But I have seen much evidence including the good fruits of both. But when you mix good and bad fruit together they all become rotten.
And at the end of the day the Church HAS spoken against ‘both’. Did I show this? I can’t remember, but I thought I did. LOL
Ok. I know I can’t change anyones mind on Medjugorje. But can I say this?
If/when the day comes when messages from Medjugorje start contradicting the Church or go against what the Church is telling us to do, can I suggest you back away with your sprinting shoes on?
Mind you when I say ‘start’ contradicting the Church there has already been one well known contradiction, and that is the birthday of The Virgin. I beleive this was the testing of the waters. Mary would never contradict the Church.
Anyway, the messages are how we should live.
My brother Bernard Wood died last night….thank you for all you prayers…..just pray for his soul, Im sure he is in Heaven. Thank you all, the furneral will probaly be Thursday, as there are people from over-seas to get air flights, he was a popular man, wrote many book on League (football) and he was a very good player himself, in his boy days, he was involved with Aussie footy also…. he was a great horse racing man also and wrote books on horse-racing. He was my brother and I loved him dearly…..I”ll get back to you guys after. God Bless Barbara
Barbara, I am sorry.
I offered the mass to him and his family this morning.
May God have Mercy.
Amen.
Dear Barbara,
I am so sorry for your loss. Your brother sounds like he was a wonderful man. Be assured of my prayers. God bless you!
Switching gears for a bit:
I found this story about the the Boston City Marathon troubling.
Throughout history, in every traumatic event the world over; plagues, wars, 9/11, whenever there has been suffering; our priests have always been the first in line to provide spiritual aid, the sacraments, including the last rites for the dying.
Many of you probably heard of Fr. Mychal Judge, the Franciscian priest who was one of the first to die during the terrorist attacks of 9/11. He died while administering last rites to the victims.
Regardless, of the bad things the media often reports on concerning our Catholic priests (some which is true, in other cases it is not), it is almost never reported on the immense good that they do.
It is not rare or unexpected to see a Catholic priest rushing to the scene of trauma to take care of Christ’s flock, which is why this story is so disappointing.
The youngest victim of the Marathon bomber, Martin Richard, was a Catholic, and was unable to receive his last rites even though priests were trying to reach him to do so.
Link:
http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/the-city-gates.cfm?id=561
Oh Kelsey,
Thanks for sharing that link.
But what sad news.
We are rejecting God at an alarming rate.
To think we could be in an emergency situation and a priest is not allowed to come to us.
No wonder I feel we are in start of ‘sorrows’ and I so desparately want to help.
I almost laughed myself out of my chair when Janine said that the Virgin contradicted her birthday! Janine, are u serious ?? The church celebrated Our Lady’s birthday on Sept. 8th. That does not mean that is her actual date of birth !! The church never said its infallible on her birthday, just because they celebrate it does not mean that is the real date. The church also does not say that Jesus was actually born on Dec 25th but that is the day it is celebrated. Our lady said her actual birthday is August 5th. You scare me in your thinking that the church knows every little detail of God, Jesus, Our.Lady and events of thier lives on earth and in heaven.
Paul,
It scares me when ‘people’ think they know better than the church.
Anyway, I glad I made you laugh.
Barbara – am so sorry to hear of Bernard’s passing and may he rest in peace.
Janine,
Garabandal for you is finished for EVER and I don’t want to see you in the Village anymore, be sure that I will take care of that, whenever you will insult the Mother of Garabandal, you will find me on your road in any case, one word only to finish, Saint Michael.
PS : For the others, don’t question her anymore about Garabandal and leave her with Faustina and her Mercy untill the end.
Aviso
Look, I have had my share of complaints about Janine’s approach, and I understand the frustration of being told that we are following a false prophet simply for believing in Medjugorje and Garabandal.
However, I believe her heart is in the right place. Just because there are some of us who disagree with her assessment, let us not be uncharitable. I agree with Aviso that those of us who want to discuss the messages should do so openly without having to constantly defend themselves. I also think we should show love toward those we disagree with…Let’s not make it personal. Janine may not have a devotion to Our Lady of Garabandal per say, but she does have a great love and devotion to the Blessed Mother and Jesus, and that’s what’s important. Not only that but I admire her zeal for spreading the message of Divine Mercy. I admire each one of you as well. Let’s get along.
None of the ennemies of our Mother of Garabandal will be in Garabandal for the Great Miracle, you have my word, let me be clear again, NONE of them, I have nothing to add, maybe a word only, Saint Michael.
Aviso
Just because someone does not believe Our Lady appeared in Garabandal or any other apparition site does not mean they are against her. Our salvation is not dependent on if someone believes she appeared here or there. She points the way only to her son Jesus and if you believe in Jesus and seek his forgiveness you will have eternal life no matter if you are in Garabandal for the miracle or not.
Exactly right, Paul. Couldn’t have said it better. She points to her Son.
Aviso,
No one is saying Janine or other people who don’t believe will be there. Let’s tone down the rhetoric. She isn’t an enemy of Our Lady…. She just doesn’t believe in Garabandal. The Church doesn’t say she is required to. I strongly believe in the apparitions however, I don’t think God is the type of God that will burn our hands and snuff our lives out in a horrific accident if we don’t believe in an apparition. There are other reasons to believe in Medjugorje or Garabandal than that…
Over the past two thousand years since the birth of Christianity there have been thousands of reports of apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary to saints and sinners, children and adults, clergy and lay people alike. But never, in any of those reports, has there ever been anything that can compare with the apparitions that happened at San Sebastian de Garabandal, Spain in the 1960′s. And, given that these events have not yet come to their conclusion (awaiting the final Prophetic Events soon to come), there most likely will never be anything like them again in the future.
Because the story spans from 1961 to this very day, and beyond to that as-yet unknown point in our near future, a basic summary of the apparitions of Garabandal is very difficult. The sheer number of apparitions of Our Lady (more than two thousand), the amazing feats performed by the four visionary girls during their encounters with Mary, the testimony of over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND eyewitnesses, and the Prophecies imparted to the visionaries (those that have infallibly have already taken place as promised, and those grand events still to come), put Garabandal into a very special category among the Marian Apparitions. It has the full support of 2 canonized Saints, PADRE PIO and SAINT MARAVILLA OF JESUS , of one Blessed, (MOTHER TERESA) and of three Venerables. It counts as its advocates 3 Popes, including our present one Benedict the XVI, as well as numerous clergy from all the hierarchies of cardinals, bishops, and priests. It would seem that this alone should be enough for the Roman Catholic Church to declare these events as valid and worthy of belief, as it has declared Lourdes and Fatima to be.
But that is not the case.
Garabandal has a considerable number of enemies. And those enemies are precisely those in the various hierarchies of the Church that the Blessed Virgin Mary warned us about at Garabandal: many Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests who are leading the way to eternal damnation for themselves and the souls that follow them. The vast changes in the Liturgy as a result of Vatican II were foretold by Her. The crisis of corruption in the clergy from Cardinals down to priests was revealed by Her. The worldwide collapse of traditional Roman Catholicism in the face of modern-day trends that go against its teachings and yet are ever gaining more popularity with the world, were forewarned by Her. And the punishments that will come down on the world by the Hand of God for these outrages were revealed by Her in a terrifying manner.
Garabandal is the new revolution that will sweep through the Church, cleaning house of sacrilege, blasphemies, abominations, and the crimes and corruptions that have been devouring the Church from within over the past 100 years.
This does not make Satan happy. And he is doing his damndest to make sure that Garabandal gets buried to the point where it will never see the light of day again. But he forgets he is only angelic in nature, and not divine. And He Who is Divine, will ultimately have the final say.
Real all the lines and be sure of one thing, again None of the ennemies of the Mother will be in the village for the most wonderfull day since the Birth of our Lord, none of them, we will be here today and tomorrow to remind it to them and each day if necessary.
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Aviso
Aviso you said…. ” The vast changes in the Liturgy as a result of Vatican II were foretold by Her. ”
Aviso,
Please tell me. What is wrong with the changes as a result of Vatican 11?
I want to see where you are coming from here.
Aviso said….”Garabandal for you is finished for EVER and I don’t want to see you in the Village anymore, be sure that I will take care of that,”
Are you serious? Who are ‘you’ to say who can go to Garabandal or who can’t?
And you will ‘be sure to take care of that’?
Who do you think you are?
You are no body in authority! Your knowledge is no greater on Garabandal than any one else. You just like to think it is.
Did you ever stop to think … That Bishop who was killed in the road accident, the one that signed ‘against Garabandal’ was killed by evil, not ‘The Mother of God.’
The Mother of God does NOT work like that!
But Satan does. So maybe it was Satan that wanted that Bishop dead.
Seriously Aviso, you and any other promoters are the ones that need to be careful.
Jesus asks us to be faithful to the Church and YOU know very well the Church has told people like you to ‘stop’ promoting this apparition.
Paul and Kelsey, I will leave this site if you want. But it is not because Aviso has threatened me. If anything ‘he’ will keep me here.
When someone who claims to be catholic, and preaches the Mother of God does vengeful things, well, what can I say???
But I have said before, some people are here to learn. That is how I started here and why I am still here.
I am now here to talk of the truths of our faith. Yes Jesus coming in His Divine Mercy is very important. But why doesn’t Aviso want me to talk about it. It is the same reason Satan doesn’t want people to know. St Faustina said “it is his greatest torment.”
Aviso, you talk as if Garabandal is the ‘key’ to salvation. What a lot of hog wash.
You have no care for anyone here. Your only care is to ‘promote’ Garabandal.
Now Jesus is the key to salvation. NO OTHER!
So it is up to others, if they would like me to stay. Not you Aviso!
Janine,
I personally don’t want anyone to leave this site. I might not agree with you on some things, but I consider you a sister in Christ. Same with you Paul as a brother in Christ…I might not agree with you on everything, but I feel like you are both genuine good people. It’s weird how all of a sudden all of us has been at eachother’s throats…Sounds like Satan wants to disband this forum. I’ve considered leaving because of the negativity and drama. Maybe we all would be better off saying a prayer for eachother’s struggles or personal intentions tonight.
Kelsey,
I totally agree and will place all of us in my prayers tonight and every night. You know our Lord and Lady wants peace so I know we should strive for that.
Thankyou Kelsey and Paul,
Yes, this hasn’t been a pleasant forum lately, but I don’t think I have said anything that has been wrong or even ‘at’ anyone up until now with what Aviso said.
I too felt at times I shouldn’t be here because I don’t believe in Garabandal anymore.
But I do believe in God, I believe Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, I believe in the saints and our Holy Catholic Church.
So therefore I too am your sister in Christ.
My intentions are all good. I don’t have an ego to want to force something on anyone that the church doesn’t approve.
You have no reason to fear me, as I am standing up for Christ and His church. Isn’t this what you want?
But I do apologise if my words don’t come out as I would like them to. But I do try and be as honest as I can, and I would never intentionally lead anyone astray from Church teachings.
But Aviso is very frightened of me. And let me say this, so is Satan.
Aviso doesn’t want me to discuss Jesus coming in Divine mercy, nor does Satan.
Jesus and Mary are love and forgiveness. Jesus welcomes the worse of sinners. Yes Aviso, He welcomes them!
Jesus also told St Faustina that the greatest sinners are more entitled to His mercy.
So I don’t know ‘who’ you are praying to?
So I ask this. Do you get all this talk about Bishops being punished and threats to me from Our Lady of Garabandal?
While I am at it Aviso, you seem to have a great hate of our church and priests. Where did this come from?
You always seem to have a negative word for them. Even today you just said….
“Garabandal has a considerable number of enemies. And those enemies are precisely those in the various hierarchies of the Church that the Blessed Virgin Mary warned us about at Garabandal: many Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests who are leading the way to eternal damnation for themselves and the souls that follow them. The vast changes in the Liturgy as a result of Vatican II were foretold by Her.”
You should not speak against our Holy Priests, Bishops and Cardinals. This is exactly what MDM does. It is coming from the same messenger?
Aviso, The Church has told you promoters not to promote Garabandal! This disobedience is causing division just like MDM is doing, just one is more subtle.
Jesus is our Church. You need to decide if you are for Him or against Him? It is that simple!
Now I hope to leave this horrible talk of people being punished for not believing in Garabandal and tomorrow I will bring some ‘Good News’.
“For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.”
First, how dare you compare Garabandal who is promoted by Joey Lomangino and his non-profit apostolate, to that fake ,no named money grabber MDM. They are COMPLETELY OPPOSITE ! And please show me & Joey where it says we cant promote? Its been going on for 50 years, and we have been welcomed by the last 3 popes in the Vatican, and Mother Teresa,and Mother Angelica !
Jeanne, I enjoy reading your posts. I have been reading here for some months and your posts have gathered me much interest.
Reading what you have said on this blog over the last year shows you haven’t taken this stance lightly. What has happened to you is what happens when one correctly discerns. It sound as if Garabandal was very special to you But through some grace, you now see differently.
You have made some very good points.
It is obvious through what you have shown, not all the prophecies have come true, these you have already pointed out so I don’t need to repeat it. I have found another prophecy that didn’t happen in which you didn’t mention. A paralized boy who was meant to be cured the day of the miracle, apparently he has passed away.
I don’t believe that The Mother of God gets prophecy wrong either.
Glenn posted this
“I, Juan Antonio del Val Gallo, believe in Garabandal. But as bishop I can’t say that.’”
Glenn you have done your arguement no justice at all. Because it is a Bishops job to say if apparitions are true or false. Therefore, that statement is obviously a lie.
I think it is fair to say that Glenn has put many years into ‘promoting’ Garabandal, and he is not going to change his mind. But Glenn did you ever think that you could be responsible for leading people away from Christ?
I had decided to research this matter for myself. It is clear the Church have condemned it, and regarding St Pio, it is ‘only’ through ‘Garabandal sites’ that say Pio approved. No where else is there any evidence. In fact, I believe Pio told Joey to go to Garabandal but have some discernment. This is so different to what the promoters say!
With what Aviso said, I wouldn’t worry about it. He speaks different to what Gospel says.
As a Catholic, I agree we should obey the Church.
So thanks Jeanne for having the courage to stand up for our faith, I for one, will be forever grateful as my wife was following Garabandal and now I have been able to show her what the church is saying on this mater.
PAK
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PAK, you do not understand a single thing about the messages of Garabandal. Our Blessed Mother ask us for Pennance, confession,daily mass & Communion, the rosary and wear the Brown Scapular. How in the world is that against God ? This spreads Catholic devotions as any apparition site, not to mention the countless thousands of healings our Blessed MOther granted through the kissed medals. MAYBE IT YOU WHO BLOCKS GOD’S WORK HERE ? How will you answer to God if you’re wrong ?
Glenn,
Are there anymore of those kissed medals from Our Lady available ? If so how can I obtain one? I’d love to attach it to my scapular. Paul
Here is Joey’s link for contact & order info: http://www.garabandal.us/leaflets/order-form-2008.pdf
The Bishop is a coward ! He had a conversion of heart in the hospital, but was afraid to made it public, but he DID say it to those in the hospital.Here is the whole story:BISHOP DAL VAL : REVERSES HIS PERSONAL OPINION ON GARABANDAL APPARITIONS
Now here’s why the people pushed hard for a new ruling, the conversion of Bishop Dal Val.In 1982 ,the Bishop was very ill, and during his stay in the hospital, Mary Loli came to visit him. The details of what happened are very secretive (because he was at the time still Bishop, and Garabandal was still not approved, and he didn’t want to reveal in writing what happened so he could not be reprimanded ). When Loli went to see him, he said that her visit with him was a great comfort. It brought back many beautiful memories about the times that he himself witnessed her ecstasies as well as the other three girls but it was only after she gave him a KISSED Crucifix by Our Blessed Mother that she had with her that he made a complete recovery. After having completed the operation on the Bishop in 1982, Dr. Tunon went to see him in his hospital room during the recovery period. “I was sitting on the edge of the bed when he said to me, ‘I, Juan Antonio del Val Gallo, believe in Garabandal. But as bishop I can’t say that.’”
Glenn, I believe in Garabandal and all the good works you andJoey do but you say that Bishop Val is a coward but my opionion is that even though he believes in Garabandal he cannot say it in public without consent from the Vatican.To one and all have a good day and pray for one another J.B
John , the Vatican has to go by what the local Bishop’s present to them, thats why my personal opinion is he was a coward, even after he received a miraculous message, he would not over turn HIMSELF ! There is nothing prohibiting him from the Vatican. He made the original ruling,not the Vatican.
Thankyou Pak for the encouraging words. Ummm it’s Janine, not Jeanne. LOL
Just when you feel like you are to no use at all, something always happens.
But I would like to try and drop this mater asap.
The Gospel is full of good news. I really believe Jesus is coming in His Final Coming to save us. Not to condemn us.
But through my understanding of what He said to St Faustina, we need to recognise His coming, His coming in Mercy.
Jesus is all good. He loves us so much that we can not even fathom His great mercy. He would never want to hurt us.
If someone causes ‘hurt’, it comes from evil not love.
There is so much doom and gloom being spoken of and I don’t think it is very healthy for the soul.
Think what the priest says at mass…”look not on your sins but on the Faith of your Church.”
Why do you think this is said? Has anyone an opinion on this?
I would love to hear what you think.
Or maybe someone can give some encouraging words that Jesus spoke of. I think we need to feel ourselves ‘worthy’.
Which also reminds me of….”Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”
Ok. I am getting the ball rolling for words of ‘hope’ here.
What encourages you?
If I am serious ? No at all, let me reply to you, just try to go back in the village to check if I am serious or not.
Shows where is satan and he will reply to you most of the time (thanks to the team of Malachi Martin for this information), who are you to show me with your fingers and you fell directly into the hole, you are insulted the Mother of Garabandal since months here on a thread about Garabandal, did I acted before ? no just few days only, so enough is enough, you can’t insult and linked the Mother of Garabandal with Satan most of your days and expecting the Respect from any Garabandalist and let me tell you, most of these Garabandalist will pray for you and for your blindness but be sure I am very serious, so please go in Poland and open a tearoom and enjoy with your friends the Divine Mercy of Saint Faustina, as talking for you looks to be a great passion.
Let me be clear, I have of course nothing against Saint Faustina, a Great and holy Saint, Loli one of the seer of Garabandal was praying herself few days before her death the Divine Mercy Chaplet of Saint Faustina.
One word about Medjugorje, I do not believe in this place but I am not blind and I am of course aware of the fruits, did you saw Aviso online and in a thread of Medjugorje to insult each day the Gospa, NEVER as I respect any faithfull, I gave my opinion about Medjugorje on my own blog with some fact and a clear video, so I am here because it’s a thread of Garabandal and do not count on my silence when I read a chatterbox insulting and linking the Lady of Garabandal with our first enemy satan, NEVER until I am in life and may God forgive me if sometimes I forget that we are all Brothers at the end despite our differences.
Aviso
http://garabandalnews.overblog.com/
I know a Man in Garabandal who prayed for years at the Pines in the middle of the night, since the end of the Apparitions no one from the village had even tried, alone at the Pines, he fight himself the Devil, when he told me his story, I could not sleep for months but why ?
he told me Aviso my Brother come to my home one day and I will explain it to you, he built his house with his own hands, my home is now in the middle of the village of Garabandal he told me, I went to his home and what I saw with my own eyes and what I heard from him, gave me the strength to fight for the Lady of Garabandal until my last breath, he told me Aviso come with me to pray tonight at the Pines, I said to him, I thought I am a Man but forgive me my faith is not enough strong to come with you at the Pines tonight, I am too scared…………
last summer when I saw him back in the village, he told me Aviso, they tried to kill me few months ago and I asked him who tried to kill you ? he just replied to me, please Pray for them, they pushed me into the Ravine but thanks God, I am still alive then he told me, please Aviso don’t try to find who was it, just Pray for them, I told him, I will Pray for them but one day, I will find them, you have my word.
This Man saved me during my first trip to Garabandal years ago when he stopped my Car before an accident, so I promised to our Lady of Garabandal, none of your enemies Mother will be in Peace until I am in Life, you know my past Mother and if necessary, I will use my own hands to defend this place where you saved me years ago, back from Garabandal I asked myself the Baptism.
……..And they said to me, please Aviso, don’t try to convince them but just talk about your own story and the Lady of Garabandal…………..
Aviso
Bishops should not be condemned. Or priests, and their good character should not be taken away from them either. God knows his children by their actions. Are you a liar or a truth giver?
Lies are very serious sins,
Hello Elizabeth, and welcome.
When we speak against our Pope, Bishops or priests, we are guilty of dividing our Church. Christ is our Church.
We as good Catholics need to stick together with the Church on all matters. Being obedient to the Church is like being obedient to Christ.
There is a lot of doom, gloom and lies being spoken of out there. Yet I believe there is great hope.
My favourite line is “Jesus, I trust in You”. These words give me such strength.
Elizabeth, What gives you hope? Is there any words that help you?
hi!,I really like your writing very so much! proportion we keep up a correspondence more approximately your article on AOL? I require a specialist in this house to resolve my problem. Maybe that is you! Looking forward to look you.
Glenn have to correct you on something as you have it incorrect. MDM is NOT a money grabber in fact the total opposite and I know that from speaking to her through email.
Really ? Does MDM offer her books for a donation or for free if you cant afford it ? My apostolate does.
Unfortunately publishers have to be paid Glenn its called business and that is the book is sold to cover those costs and….. something that your so called apostolate doesn’t do is offer translations into many many languages and that has to be paid for. At least MDM’s messages are being sent worldwide while you are still sitting on your arse blowing your own trumpet. I can assure you that Maria is not taking or making money. There are easier and less stressful ways to do that. If you are going to make disparaging comments against people at the very least get your facts right.
Hi Helen,
I don’t know much about MDM but where is she from and when does she say she started recieving messages. ?
Paul, I have been waiting for over a year now for MDM follower to answer one question. She predicted the “Warning to happen last year,obvious it did not. How come ? Now again this year ,she predicted this Easter week, a global event to “awaken” the world “, again, nothing! So my questions have still gone unanswered,and the bigger question, why would you follow a “false Prophet” who cant get predictions right ? Be careful .
Hi Glenn,
Oh I’m not following MDM. I just can’t go through all her messages and I’m not interested to do so. I have enough to follow and strive for weekly with mass, daily prayer, rosary, reconciliation, fasting and peace.
Smart man, you’ve already chosen the right path .
Glenn said to Paul……”the bigger question, why would you follow a “false Prophet” who cant get predictions right ? Be careful.”
Glenn, That is funny ‘you’ should say that! You just gave me a good chuckle.
Again youre wrong we offer our video FREE in 26 Languages !
You might get your facts right too,before speaking. Joeys apostolate is in over 200 countries, offering gratis gifts. See, Im tooting Joeys horn ,not mine. Dont you ever get tired of being wrong ?
MDM is for Maria Divine Mercy. She is Irish Paul and lives in Dublin. If you google her or look for an interview she gave which is on youtube you will be able to hear Maria talk about herself. Have a look at her website all the messages and prayers are published there. You can read for yourself Paul and then discern. Some believe and some don’t its up to you and that is why God gave us free will.
You’re absolutely right Helen. Our loving God gave us a brain with intelligence. With this He gave us ‘free will’.
These gifts from God are ‘gifts’. So we should use them well.
My brain tells me, when prophecy doesn’t happen when predicted, it is obviously not ‘Divine’ prophecy. My brain tells me Mary or Jesus NEVER gets prophecy wrong, never.
My brain tells me too listen to what our Church says. As don’t you think this is what Our Lord would want?
But I can’t argue with you or anyone anymore, I have tried my best to show what the Church says.
But God gave everyone ‘free will’ to do as you wish.
Helen, on April 21st you said……” I do urge everyone to be careful with Glenn Hudson”
My gut feeling was always this. But why do you say it?
Helen, I made a huge mistake by asking you about Glenn. Please do not say anything against him.
Glenn, I offer you my apologies.
Janine, I really don’t care what anyone says about me. I have spent over 20 years of my life working as a volunteer for Joey, spreading the 2 messages of our Blessed Mother, ( at Garabandal) of pennance, confession,mass,communion, the rosary,the brown scapular. How anyone can knock that is beyond me,but you’re all entitled to your opinion.
This mornings Gospel reading was the one about Jesus saying.. “I am the way the truth and the light, no one can come to the Father, except through Me.”
The homily was great for our times, but as I sat there I wondered if everyone understood what Father was saying? Sometimes I wish I could just record some homilies so I remember them word for word.
Anyway, Father was saying we have so many sects within the church now, one sect is devoted to this, another to that. Then he said… “When I would lose something, I would pray to St Anthony to help me find it. Then I realised, maybe I should be praying to Jesus”.
He finished by saying… “When we are all in heaven with the saints, it won’t be praising the saints. We will be together with the saints in praising Jesus, so it is He we should be devoted to.”
I don’t know about anyone else here. But I don’t think we need anymore than the words of Jesus.
Does that make sense? Does anyone honestly think we need more?
In the end the only way we can get to Heaven ‘is’ through Jesus, not Garabandal, not Medjugorje, not MDM, and for that matter not through Fatima. Yes, I believe Our Lady appeared in Fatima, but if I didn’t, it would make no difference for my salvation.
Prayers offered for ‘everyone’ here!
Barbara, Been thinking of you these past few days. How are you? How is your brother’s family?
I have had the pleasure of meeting Glenn through the Garabandal website and he has been nothing but incredibly knowledgable and kind. It’s a shame such a good man is slandered by a few bitter women who, I know for a fact, has quite a reputation in her own parish!
I have been reading here for a while now but have not commented. Helen, I do not know what problems you have had in your life but you seem like a very unhappy person. I don’t like how you always attack Glenn Hudson when he has done nothing wrong. You are slandering him by talking about him this way in a public forum. You are only making yourself look bad and you are losing all your credibility in the meantime.
Rose, that is interesting you should say you have been reading here for a while. Funny, this is the first time I have noticed someone reading on this forum from your town.
It isn’t very nice to suggest someone to be a ‘very unhappy person’.
But welcome to you and Dino. Glenn’s friends are all welcome to speak too.
Janine, this is an open public forum and I am free to speak my mind if I want to. Glenn as usual you again have it wrong – MDM did not predict the warning for this year or any other year. Only God the Father knows when the Warning will be. People are looking at dates and saying it could happen this month or next month but I think God has a sense of humour and is enjoying watching people predict. Maria did not predict anything. I am sure you were told that too Glenn when you bulldozed your way into groups devoted to MDM so that you could post your own agenda. You used groups devoted to MDM and you used some of the people who set them up and moderate them, You know yourself so I don’t need to spell it out to you.
I wanted to share a prayer with everybody. I think I did before but I love it so much I wanted to be sure I shared. I learned it from the Missionaries of Charity.
Jesus, I thank you for this day. As the sun rises i am reminded that you are the light and so today I offer you all my joys and sufferings for the reparation for my sins. I give to you all my sins, anxiety, frustration, disappointments and anger. I ask you to transform these negative traits to hope, love and goodness. I invite you to send your most Holy Spirit upon my soul at this time so that you can use my eyes to see, my feet to walk, my hands to touch and my heart to love all those who I will come in contact with today. Let them look up and no longer see me but only you shining through me. Into your hands I give you my heart. Jesus, I love you. AMEN.
Paul, Thanks for that. That is lovely prayer.
It is appreciated.
God Bless you!
Thank you Paul! Beautiful prayer, and an excellent reminder to everyone on this forum to treat eachother with love. God Bless:)
PROOF OF MDM’S WRONG WARNING PREDICTION:Here is what her messages, supposedly from God, say:
“2011 is the Year for Purification throughout the whole world”
message of 31st May 2011
“The prophecies given at Garabandal will now become a reality. Prepare now for this event for you have only a few months left to prepare your souls.”
The front page of the website ( June 16, 2011) says this:
“The Warning is Close
This event will take place in next few months.
TWO COMETS will CLASH, Sky to turn red, Cross in the sky
Millions will repent as a result of this ‘Warning’
It is a great act of God’s mercy
One of the greatest events in the history of mankind”
When 2011 ends without the Warning having occurred, it proved that this visionary is false.
So, MDM -wrong, Helen -wrong. You only embarrass yourself because you don’t even know what your own prophet said.
Ah Glenn you are again incorrect and I don’t know where you are getting those quotes but seeing as you took the trouble to look at Maria’s website you could at the very least cut and paste properly. It does not say anything about the end of 2011 at the end of the website so you are putting in your edited version of a cut and paste which is totally dishonest but that is what you do Glenn. You trick people and make them think you are oh so good and humble when in fact you twist things for your own benefit (plus not forgetting the people you walked on and hurt on MDM groups – the people here need to know what you did) You like to portray yourself as this uber nice guy devoted to Our Lady when you in fact admit you don’t even pray the Rosary. So for someone who supposedly “works” for Our Lady you don’t even recite the Rosary. So it remains to be seen who is wrong Glenn you (which I suspect is a big fat yes) or God the Father.
Helen you are a sick woman, how dare you say I don’t recite the rosary! I even posted on two sites that Conchita helped me this past Lenten season with how to improve saying it, more often.
HERE IT IS EVERYONE, RIGHT OFF THE MDM SITE, AS I SAID ! http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/prophecy-at-garabandal-will-now-become-a-reality/
” The prophecies given at Garabandal will now become a reality. Prepare now for this event for you have only a few months left to prepare your souls.”
AND HERE IS THE SECOND WRONG MDM MESSAGE ( I SCRIBBLED THE WRONG DATE ITS JUNE 5,2011 BUT THE MESSAGE IS EXACTLY AS I SAID . http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/two-comets-will-collide-my-cross-will-appear-in-a-red-sky/
SO NOW EVERYONE CAN SEE FOR THEMSELVES I TOLD THE TRUTH AND HELENS CONSTANT LIES AND VENGENCE AGAINST ME ARE THE SAD MARK OF SOMEONE WHO NEEDS PRAYERS.
WHOMEVER IS AN ADMIN. HERE OUGHT TO PUT AN END TO THE WRONGFUL SLANDERING OF MY NAME. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO PROVE & DEFEND MYSELF BEFORE SOMEONE HAS THE COURAGE TO SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ?
If Helen is the kind of person you want here, fine, she’s all yours. If anyone wants me I’ll be on facebook, where there is peace and no drama. Goodbye and God bless all who remain in this environment. https://www.facebook.com/groups/163674987784/
Glenn I am so amused at you posting ‘all’ the obvious about MDM.
Would you like to now play a fair game, and post all the prophecies that did NOT come true with Garabandal?
Janine,
A few of us defended your character several times even though we may not agree with you on several issues when a certain someone personally attacked you a few days ago. I seriously don’t get how you are “amused” at seeing Glenn attacked on a personal level. It is not a “game”. You attacked a new poster, Rose, for defending his character by saying she was in the wrong for implying that since someone was incessant in bullying someone that they must be “unhappy”. Now, I don’t know Helen, and I don’t know what problems she and Glenn had in another forum, but it doesn’t have to play into this forum. We already know they don’t care much for eachother…That’s been made clear as crystal. However, we don’t need to hear the attacks of whether someone does or doesn’t say their rosary, whether this person is evil or not, good enough or not. That’s between them and God. For someone who believes in Divine Mercy as much as you do, I wouldn’t expect to see someone join in kicking Glenn while he’s down and ending their post with a cute little smily face…
Kelsey, I did not say I was amused at Glenn being attacked. You must have misread what I said.
All I said is that I am amused that he is attacking MDM because of those prophecies didn’t come true.
Yet he promotes Garabandal that also has many prophecies that didn’t come true.
So it does amuse me and makes me chuckle.
Also, I never said anything about him saying the Rosary or not. Or if he is evil or not. Nor did I join in that conversation.
Maybe you didn’t see who posted what correctly?
Never mind these things happen.
(the smiley face means “I’m cool, I’m happy, no grudges)
Ok, I sincerely apologize that I misread what you had said. I hope you accept my apology. It just seems like there has been a lot of attacks on this forum. It’s very disheartening to see because I’m sure everyone that participates on here are such nice people in real life…
Kelsey, Don’t worry about it. It can happen.
I thought you might have just read through it all quickly as what I sometimes do.
I would like to try and change the conversation.
Kelsey, maybe you can tell us what words of Jesus gives you hope or makes you feel good?
Good idea Janine:)
Here’s mine:
Philippians 4:6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
What is yours?
“Do not be anxious about anything”
Gee, how often do we hear Jesus say things like this? Do not fear or worry is also said many times.
Yet it does seem to be our human weakness, to be anxious, fearful, and worry.
I know personally, I try not to fear, worry or be anxious, because when I am like that I know I am not putting my trust in Jesus.
and this is because I don’t trust Jesus as much as I would like to.
But I often fail,
Yet here Kelsey has shown that it is said ‘ but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God’
So we are told, not to worry about anything, but give our concerns to God. He is Our Father, and what Father would give their son a stone when he asks for bread? Ask, and it shall be given.
He is really a loving God, isn’t He?
He tells us not to worry and give Him your worries. Wow, how good is that? We really should be happy!
” when i was 5 years old, my mother always tole me that happiness was the key to life. When i went to school, they asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up. I wrote down “happy”. They told me i didnt understand the assignment, and i told them they didnt understand life.”
- John Lennon.
p.s. Only Jesus can give us this “happiness” through daily prayer, confession, Eucharist, fasting and Mass.
what is the meaning of us being here on Earth? It is to love and to be loved, not to judge but to share Gods love (which is not of this world) with all. – Mother Teresa
Happy weekend all.
” when I was 5 yrs old my mother said the key to life is happiness. When I was in school they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I said I wanted to be ” happy”. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment and I said they didn’t understand life.”
- John Lennon
The only way to achieve this happiness is through Jesus by prayer, fasting, Eucharist, penance, mass and peace.
Why are we here on Earth? We are here to love and to be loved, to be a carrier of Gods love. – Mother Teresa.
Have a happy weekend all !
Glenn how dare you say I was sick how dare you! Who do you think you are? Apart from being an arrogant show off you have no right or authority to come on to this forum and call people sick. I saw a post that you said yourself on one of the MDM pages that you didn’t recite the rosary and that your “friend” Conchita told you to so do. You came this forum uninvited, you came into MDM facebook groups uninvited and hurt a few people close to me and you feel you are aggrieved. You have some neck albeit an arrogant one Hudson as I can’t bring myself to call you Mr. Go and be with people who might actually like you and think you are so hot as I know and a lot of people on Facebook found you out to be a big arrogant fraud.
Oh Helen ,God forgive you, that’s YOUR spin of my conversation with Conchita. She asked if I had the time to do the rosary everyday and I said ” Umm no,not everyday.” The reason I explained to her (WHICH YOU FORGOT TO MENTION HERE ) is that between working full time, posting on 4 Garabandal boards answering question and caring for my sick daughter who hasn’t eaten in over 6 MONTHS because of a botched operation on her stomach, she needs around the clock medical care which we have to provide(no nurses here)I wasn’t at THAT TIME doing the rosary everyday. But Conchita convinced me that if I tried harder, God would provide the time AND HE HAS, I DO IT EVERYDAY ! Now ,you’ll be thrilled I am done on this forum, I won’t be coming back. God bless all here.
Well Glenn aren’t you great to come on here and correct me – ha caught you out again. Oh poor you – you have to work full time and post on boards ahhh you poor thing. I work two jobs, look after my sick husband and look after our 7 year old daughter i.e. school, homework, music, ballet, and hurling. Yes I am thrilled you are done on this forum as you are just too much of a show off and know it all (not!) Bye Glenn and don’t let the door slam your big head on the way out.
Glenn,
Please reconsider.
God Bless you!
Geez, what is going on here? Shame on all of you. Remember what this board is about.
I just can’t understand why it is ok for Glenn to be attacked on this page. Helen if u do not believe in Garabandal then why are you in this group? Glenn is trying to educate others about it and you are being a hindrance. It is very uncharitable of u to tell everyone whether or not he says the rosary every day. It is not up to us to judge another’s prayer life. I send Christian love and good wishes to you Helen. God bless you.
I agree, Dino. The attacks on Glenn need to stop. He has every right to be here too. My prayers are with Glenn and Helen, that they put their differences behind them and just be cordial. God Bless!
Sorry Dino but Glenn was not very nice to a few of my friends on FB and he used them. For someone who doesn’t like or disrespects Maria Divine Mercy he was well able to use those people to his own avail and I don’t like that. Glenn isn’t trying to educate anyone just show off. I believe in Garbandal Dino since I was a teenager and that’s a while ago now
But there some people on FB that I have come to love and respect and I don’t like to see them used or hurt by Glenn. I’m the kind of person you would need in a battle as I will defend right and truth to the end. Plus the man called me sick. Gosh if he was to walk a mile in my shoes then you would know how hard life can be for some people.
I saw this on FB tonight and it discusses both Garbandal and Maria Divine Mercy. Some of you may not like MDM but this site has a few interesting comments to make. http://twoheartspress.com/
Oh by the way I am not attacking Glenn Hudson in fact he is attacking me and was quite insulting to me and I won’t stand for it.
Paul said… ” when I was 5 yrs old my mother said the key to life is happiness. When I was in school they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I said I wanted to be ” happy”.”
Don’t we just love the simplicity of a 5 year old?
It makes much sense. Everyone wants to be ‘happy’.
Didn’t Jesus say to be like children? Have simple thoughts.
Paul says…”Only Jesus can give us this “happiness” through daily prayer, confession, Eucharist, fasting and Mass.”
Yes, it is only Jesus that gives us ‘true’ happiness.
But we can be fooled by a ‘false happiness’. This comes from Satan. I suppose most of us have been in a ‘false happiness’ at some stage in their lives.
Being in sin can feel good and make you feel happy. But it isn’t a deep and lasting happiness.
We do complicate our lives by working more for more ‘material’ things and it does lead to empty happiness.
I have a few wealthy friends, on the surface they come across happy but aren’t happy deep down. They seem to be wanting to gather more things and always worried about how they look.
I often say, the happiest time in my life was when we had our first child after our 1st year of marriage, we rented the cheapest apartment so we could save, no furniture except old lounge chairs fit for the dump a TV and bed. Our baby had a second hand cot, no clothes as I would wrap him in blankets instead.
Now I was so happy!
Does anyone else want to share words of Jesus that give you ‘hope’?
Ken?
Helen?
Dino?
Glenn?
Patty?
Barbara?
Aviso?
Rose?
I must say I am very impressed by the Omish people. So simple, prayerful and they do everything for God. They simplify their lives by no electricity, no TV, no worries about clothing and fashion and no distractions from prayer and family. They help and take care of neighbors or anyone in the community in need. There is no violence or crime in Omish communities, only peace is shared. God must be so pleased by these souls and I think they can be an inspiration to us for a more simple humble life.
Paul that reminds me of the movie “Witness” staring Harrison Ford. I suppose it is because that movie showed me that “Amish” people existed. So I really know very little about them.
But if they live in happiness, they must be doing something right.
There is a lot of truth about ‘happiness’ and simple living.
I know in the confessional yesterday, I had to confess how I was measuring the amount I was paying compared to the others with me. Yet at the time, while I was annoyed that I was paying more than my share, I also knew I was wrong in even thinking that way.
As it wasn’t a deliberate act by me friends, it was just the way it went.
So it just shows, how I have grown to love my money.
Hi everone, just got back last night from my brother’s furneral, it was beautiful, he was also a funny guy, so we all had a lot of laughs and tear run down our faces, through laughter & tears, thank you all for your prayers!!!! Helen, I just watched that video you put on the web about the priest who was kneeling, while this mad-woman poured water over him, read it all – so many sick people in this world…. that poor man. It has really and truly started the persucated priests etc. God help us! About Maria Devine Mercy, just my oponion, please be very careful about what she says, keep an open mind, she already said once in one of her past messages she had seen God…..I didn’t think anyone could see God unless you were dead??? All I know, you guys is that I have a deep “feeling” about places & events, and in my heart Garabandal is true and I’m really looking forward to the Miracle. Maria Devine Mercy says a comet will clash and that will be the Warning….she seems to ‘know’ more than Conchita….Conchita said it was NOT an astoroid, comet etc etc etc… but an enlightening, as I’ve put before it will be the Holy Spirit, it is meant to transmit into our souls, a revelation of our sins to purify us, to awake us up to who we really our… and most of us wont like what we see!!!! It reminds me of a mirror, not of our body & faces, but our soul, it is a very special moment. We all certainly need this. Please go easy on each others comments, this is a discussion, not an all out war, we have enough noncence going on in our world now, without you guys having a go!!!! We must continue with these discussions, about Garabandal & Medjugorje and other sites as we really need them, we need to lean on each other to get us through these end times, as the times are getting more heated and nasty old satan is getting at us, and as Our Lady says – :satan upsets our peace: My heart truly and honestly goes out to Helen and Glen who are so strong, but are suffering with family illness and caring for your sick..you are great in Gods eyes!!!! Kelsey & Janine, enjoy your discussions, and the rest of you……. if any of you have more information about the sites,apparations, we need to discuss, bring it on, we need to clear the air! Aviso, liked your account of Garabandal, and have read about this before, how many bishops, priests, are dragging many souls into hell, back in 1961, priests and bishops and cardinals were considered holy and reverved, and many were, but only if it was for God work and lead people to Heaven, that was their role, but unfortuntly that was not always the case, many are for themselves, which is not right, not Christ-like, but self-like, not the role entrusted to them. If priests and bishops cannot deal with this great position of leading souls to Heaven, they should reconsider what they are all about. That is why Our Lady at Medjugorje says in every message to pray for her shepards, her priests, because what she reveled in Garabandal is now full-blowen, and the time has now come, and we must pray for our priests. In Father Gobbi’s messages Our Lady called her priests her favourite sons, as they were chosen to follow Jesus foot-steps, we must prasie our priests, talk to them, one priest said to me years ago he gets lonely as after Mass everyone rushes off and only has a quick “hello” so we should be more interested in what they are doing with their lives. When I was young we used to have the priests in for a meal and the nuns, in the Mass and in the class-room they were different – but at home at meal time they were like you & me. I find my 2 priests easy to talk to, they are different but lovely. Pray for all priests,. Bye for now Barbara.
Hi Barbara,
I’ve been keeping you in my thoughts and prayers the last few days, knowing of your loss. I said the Chaplet for your brother and will remember him during Mass tomorrow. Thank you for your kind words:)
Barbara sounds as if all went as well as a funeral can go.
I had been thinking of you.
But I feel as if I am totally useless here. No one has understood a word I have said.
Now Father Gobbi is included into the forum.
We are ‘now’ living in the time of the false prophets and we continue to keep speaking of them.
Conchita says the sky will go bright. St Faustina says the light will go dark.
Where in the Bible is there mentioned anything of a warning? I have done my best to show you all, it is Jesus coming in mercy, in His Final Coming and as He said to St Faustina “Woe to those who do not recognise My visitation.” Jesus said He is coming in Mercy and those who do not enter that door of mercy will have to go through the door of justice.
Do you believe what Jesus said to an approved Saint? Or do you believe all these other things that the Church has said ‘NO’ to?
When I read….. ” liked your account of Garabandal, and have read about this before, how many bishops, priests, are dragging many souls into hell,”
Please. I beg of all of you. These are ‘not’ messages from God. These are the messages of garabandal and MDM.
Can’t you see, we are dividing the Church with all these different sects? One follows this, one follows that. We are dividing Jesus.
Think about it!
BOTH of these prophets prophecies have been ‘proven’ false. PROVEN. Blind faith won’t help anyone.
It may not matter if you want to follow this or that. But what does matter is that if you believe these apparitions, you really think that many of our Bishop’s and priest’s are dragging many souls into hell. WOW.
Doesn’t this make Satan happy that we can think so lowly of our Bishops and Priests. And doesn’t this make Jesus sad.
All the false apparitions say ‘pray for the priests’ and we are being led to believe it is because they need our prayers because they are sinful.
Oh. I can not do this anymore. I need to take the advise from in the confessional yesterday.
All these false prophecies are everywhere on forums where Satan can feel safe. I hope I gave Satan a migraine when I stood on the side of the Church.
I have tried to show what the church says, I have tried to even change the conversation. But I feel as if I am useless and now I am left with tears of sorrow.
“For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us…”
If anyone wants to speak to me for the right reasons, you can contact me nowin2013@hotmail.com
Yesterday a good friend gave me advice and but I wanted to keep on trying to help, but she could see more wisely and sent me this……
Matthew 10:14-15
14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Janine,
Your being too literal in the whole definition of the illumination of soul or warning. When Jessus said ” woe to those who do not recognize my mercy” I believe he meant when the illumination happens, if someone totally changes thier lives till death then they won’t go thru the door of judgement but if after the illumination a person does not convert till death, then they will go thru a harsh judgement because they had a Devine intervention as a catalyst to change but didnt.
I’m thinking of leaving this forum too. Not so much for the Garabandal discussions, but for the recent harsh language used toward many of the members of this forum. Who wants to stay on if instead of encountering our fellow Christians, we are confronted with the opposite?
The Bible says, ” They shall know we are Christians by our love.” Instead of love, I see relentless attacks toward others on here. If a brother or sister has wounded us, we are called to forgive, not to spread contempt.
I’m sorry you are leaving Janine. Like Glenn, I hope you will reconsider, but I understand. You’ll be in my prayers.
Hi Helen, you believe in Garabandal as you said so you cannot insult another Garabandalist as Glenn, please let’s stop these insults, let me tell you about my own experience, I have been myself insulted on another forum and compared to a pork, that time few had defended my Name and my honor but if my memory is still good, Janine was one of them, it’s also a good example that if we have some differences, we must respect each other despite some “injuries”.
Back to Garabandal, we will defend the Lady of Garabandal in any case, personally I prefer to be attacked directly (I am use to) than the Apparitions of our Lady in Garabandal.
I am also quiet close to the First defender of this Apparition, Father Laffineur himself (with God now) who was in charge by the Vatican to investigate, a copy of his investigation has been sent to the Vatican just after the Apparitions not to the local Bishop, let me be clear again, to the Vatican directly, the original of these documents are with one of my good friend (a family member now) from Garabandal and can explain why the Vatican had never condemned officially the Lady of Garabandal despite the reports of some bishops BUT why? in my opinion, especially because they have the Date of the Great Miracle, until this date has not passed, they will not and be reassured, per my last information, there is no chance to get any condemnation of Garabandal especially since the election of the new Pope Francis.
Father Rolando, the current Priest of Garabandal, confirmed to us last year, to not hesitate to talk about Garabandal and the prophecies of our Lady everywhere, especially the messages of Garabandal, Father Rolando will never affirm anything against the Church and without the authorization of the current Bishop who was himself in Garabandal for the 50th anniversary of the Apparitions, it’s not another rumor from internet but a confirmation of the current Priest of Garabandal to us directly, face to face.
Let’s not forget as well, the wish of our current Pope Francis to consecrate his apostolate to our Lady of Fatima as soon as he has been elected, each one of us must understand this wish, the time of Mercy will end soon, not fortunately but unfortunately as in my opinion most of us are not ready yet, in my opinion we are already in the end of times, mainly since the Resignation of Pope Benedict XVI.
I will now finish my message in French has it’s important to understand quiet well what I want to tell you, please don’t hesitate to translate yourself if you are interested.
Concernant les affirmations des opposants à notre Dame de Garabandal, notamment certaines prophéties non réalisées et lues dans certains livres de Garabandal, il faut que chacun d’entre nous comprennent définitivement et je l’espère vraiment, qu’il y a une différence importante entre ce que notre Dame a pu dire to the seers et leur interprétations personnelles, il est important de comprendre cela, c’est ce que le Père Laffineur lui-même n’a cessé de répéter, il faut aussi se remettre dans le contexte de l’époque et du nombre important des apparitions de notre Dame, les discutions entre la Vierge Marie et les 4 petites filles sont si nombreuses que certaines affirmations ont pu être mal comprises, nous en sommes d’ailleurs personnellement persuadés.
Pour le reste, nous savons également que peu de monde sera au village pour le Grand Miracle et qu’un évènement important concernant les apparitions aura lieu peu de temps avec le Grand Jour, cet évènement pourrait toucher directement les plus fervents de nos Garabandalist, c’est ce qu’a annoncé notre Dame elle-même, la situation Politique en Espagne sera également difficile et pourrait restreindre l’accès au Pays par la Nord notamment à la frontière Française, il est donc important de bien suivre les dernières nouvelles concernant Garabandal que nous vous donneront par le biais d’internet ou par email directement.
Un dernier mot concernant les ennemies de Garabandal, bien trop nombreux malheureusement, vous serez responsables directement ou indirectement de toutes vos attaques contre notre Dame de Garabandal, n’ayez aucun doute, ce n’est pas une menace mais croyez-moi sur parole, beaucoup de ces ennemies ne sont plus de ce monde pour en témoigner, notamment l’Evêque Puchol ainsi que d’autres membres de notre Eglise, il ne s’agit pas encore une fois de rumeurs mais bien de la réalité, dans le doute, il serait préférable pour vous de vous abstenir et de laisser l’Eglise se prononcer définitivement, il en va du salut de votre Ame, je vous le dis encore une fois avec tout le respect nécessaire même si malheureusement je me fais très peu d’illusion.
Aviso
Ah hello Aviso – Glenn insulted me and took a very low swipe at me. So is that ok for him to insult me and not for me to stand up for myself. If that is your standard Aviso then it doesn’t say much for you does it?
I think you are entitled to defend yourself, but let’s leave the attacks out of it. It’s been going back and forth, back and forth and we really want this forum to be peaceful for everyone.
Sure, disagreements will pop up, but I think that if things get overly heated, we should respond with Christian charity instead of engaging in the same behavior that someone is displaying toward you. Sometimes it’s better to ignore a person if we dislike them that much. I’m not just saying this only to you, but for anyone who has a problem with anybody on here.
I personally enjoy having both you and Glenn on the forum. You have very insightful posts, and I enjoy reading them. I think if Glenn has hurt you, it would be better to privately talk it out or maybe just ignore him.
God Bless
None of us, NONE, I am telling you again to be clear, NONE of any serious Garabandalist is known to be Proud, so if I or any of our Garabandalist had insulted anyone direclty for no reason or because some of them did not believe to our Lady of Garabandal, please accept our sincerest Apologies, we are not famous to be rude People, I don’t know myself any serious Garabandalist Prideful, you must understand that we have also a big Cross, defending the Mother of Garabandal is not easy at all, especially more than 50 years after the Apparitions but I want to be clear again, I will do my best to not leave any of the enemies of the Mother of Garabandal to be in Garabandal for the Great Miracle and between us, be sure I can do it, you have for this case especialy, my word, a Catholic Word.
Aviso
Kelsey and Aviso I have no wish to speak with Glenn Hudson as he has caused hurt to some of my friends on FB groups and he did use them for his own end. I’m sorry but the man just wants to show off there is no humility about him but thats his cross to bear and so be it. I’ve done my work too for Our Lady quietly and Lourdes is my favourite place in the world. I would like to see Garabandal someday as its not that far from Lourdes I believe. I will take a break from here for a while. My hubby has a few big medicals coming up and I’m starting another new job. Its all go in my house. Take care everyone.
Helen. Please just let God be the judge as your christian faith tells you and you know Our Lady of Lourdes will not be happy with you in your battle with Glenn on this forum.Remember turn the other cheek and forgive any hurt each of you have caused each other.Our lady asks us to live pray for peace so i am asking you both to move on. Please Glenn come back as you have said things to us that we would never have heard except for you eg Our Lady has asked Joey to say seventeen Hail Marys Seven acts of sorrow and five Our Fathers each day three times a day.I have being doing this since you said it on this forum thanks to you so please Helen and Glenn come back and foget the past.Thanks Aviso for all your advise and to all on this forum let us include in our prayers tomorrow our families and ourselves to be with Our Lady forever.ps Helen i hope your husband medical goes well God Bless John
I’ll be including your husband’s health in my rosary tonight, Helen.
I agree with John on the Glenn issue. Let’s just forgive the past and move on in peace as our Lady would want.
God Bless!
Aviso… do you have any indication of the date of when the Miracle could be? Do you think this could happen in the next two years? I know not to focus on a special date…. but just give me your ideas? I do not want anyone to leave the forum either, the subjects we are discussing are too important to push away. We pray for our priests, as we should pray for our families….Our Lady only wants us to pray more for our priests because satan directly dargets these gifted men because they are so close to God…..and guess who hates God??1 himself the devil… this is why we must pray for our leaders of the Church, as the rotten sod is trying to put us all down to his level. If we don’t pray for our priests, then what sort of people are we? No priests, no Mass. Janine, you asked us about hope, such a powerful word, and one we must have in our hearts and future,….Janine the best of my days was my child-hood, my marriage, my children and my grandchildren… but my hope does not stop there…I hope to stay healthy, I hope my children have healthy and happy futures, and my husband, children get to Heaven one day. and I hope very much that this warning happens very soon, as this warning need to wake up my family, to cleanse their souls, so my dear ones can eventually get to their true home, one day. Recently one of my brothers said he does not believe in God, and has not been to a Catholic Mass for years, only for the furneal and our daughters marriage, otherwise he thinks the Bible is all made up and a load of rubbish, he said if I wanted to pray for him, to pray for his golf handicap…..I just said that I would pray for his handicap, but it wont be golf!! So, we really need God to send something, like the warning, and this is why Our Lady is appearing, we need her desperatly, we need our mother to help us, what mother would leave a child who is in trouble…. and here she is appearing in Medjugorje, and she is being denied like her Son. I know what I would like us all to discuss, statues, I have two beautiful statues of Our Lady of Fatima & Medjugorje….should I be praying to these statues, or rather giving her my problem??? The main one on our wall in the bedroom is Jesus on the Cross, whom I say the Divine Mercy to, and in the kitchen I have a very small cross with Jesus on it above my sink, above our kitchen table I have the Divine Mercy picture, when no one is at home I say the chaplet in front of that picture, when it is peaceful. Johnwalsh, I’ll try and get those prayers said today also, the Joey prayers, sometimes my intentions are positive, but if I get off this computer now I can say these prayers. Thanks Kelsey and Helen and Paul, Janine and anyone else for your prayers to Bernard. Helen, Im thinking of you with your care of your husband, and every thing goes well with your new job. God Bless you all Barbara.
Hi Helen,
My regards to you and your brother who has passed on. My prayers are with you. I just wanted to comment on the statues. It’s not that we are praying TO the statue but rather using the staye or image to help us focus our prayers. Humans are concrete beings and Our Lord knows statues and blessed images and objects help us use those concrete items to help us pray. Many faiths think we as Catholics are praying to Idols but this is not so, they are images to help us focus on our prayers if we wish to use them. I have a beautiful statue of Our Lady of Fatima and I look at it when I pray the Rosary.
Hi Paul, thank you for your kind regards you are so so sweet. In fact I lost my sister last year not my brother ) but you are kind to remember. My family circumstances are unique. I am the youngest of seven and my parents had a hard life – bear in mind this is an Ireland if the 1950′s and 60′s where help and support was non existent. Five of my siblings were born with special needs i.e. physical handicap. Since my parents passed to their eternal reward I am guardian to my remaining siblings i.e two sisters – one of which died last year to a rare form of cancer. I have an older married brother but he is not the best in dealing with any issues for my sisters that is left to me. Not that I mind but when my sister died last year my brother decided then to be the big man and dictate her funeral despite his visits being few and far between whereas I was at my sister’s side as much as I could. My long winded point is that none of us know what the other’s burden is. Life for some is hard but sure look what some things make you stronger. My parents were wonderful and their faith in Our Lady was something to behold. I remember my mother once describing her heartbreak when she brought one of my older brothers to Lourdes knowing she was pregnant and hoping against hope the baby she knew she was carrying would be born ok. Unfortunately this was not to be and that baby was my sister Bernadette who died last year. This for my mother was a major disappointment but then 8 years later she had me
Now I get to carry my own cross with a terminally ill hubby who DOES not believe in God and this worries me so. I really don’t know why I said all this but I suppose I wanted to give a snap shot of me my family and my life and to show that for some families life is hard but devotion and faith to God and his Blessed Mother can be a testament to what we believe in. I don’t ask for pity or prayers but just to understand what life is like for me. However, I woudn’t change a thing, I have a wonderful hubby and we have a beautiful little girl and I am working hard to teach her -her prayers and belief in God.
I have an urgent prayer request for this forum. I got word that a mother of four has been diagnosed with stage 4 liver cancer. She is praying for a miracle. Surgery is planned for tomorrow. I know I can count on this group for prayers as you all have a deep devotion to Our Lady.
Thank you!
Paul – it was me who put in the comments about the statues, and so pleased I did I’m glad you feel as I do about we catholics are not praying to idols, but in the presence of a mother – thanks Paul. Helen, you have had so much happen to you – and still you go full-steam ahead, marvellous woman, please keep up with the discussions, we have something in common, we have irish decesant, – I can get fiery – but excause me for saying this – not quite as fiery as you in our discussions!!!!! PLease laugh at that comment, because it was meant to be funny! We are passionate in our beliefs, and beware if anyone crosses us!!! God bless the irish!! (Barbara)
Hi Barbara,
Well, let me give you few confidences about this day when few years ago I tried myself to get more details about a possible date.
I am close to Amalia, Loli’s sister and to her husband, I love them like my own family especially Amalia since our first meeting during my first trip to Garabandal years ago, check on my own blog to get the full story if you are interested.
I had received many emails about this Question and since years now, the famous DATE, some people can’t wait more after all these years since the beginning of the apparitions, some others have family members very seek….etc… and all these questions progressively touched me (again yesterday few of my emails were linked to this question, the famous DATE ? do you know something, if yes please tell it to me Aviso…etc…), so I said myself during my next trip to the village (few years ago now), I will question Amalia and few others in the village to get some indications, I decided to start with Amalia and asked her directly if she know something about a possible time, It’s the first time and I know her quiet well, to see on her face sadness and anger, she just told me if you ask me again this question, I will not cook for you anymore so I never asked her again and did not tried to ask anyone else in the village.
So it’s not the Good question and you can lose with this question only all the confidence from some members of the seers family, did some of them know something more than all the public details from Garabandal books and online ? in my opinion surely, did some of them told me something ? I will be a liar if I say NO (a good dinner with a good wine, I am French don’t forget, had help some hearts to open a little bit more, as some Cross are heavy for many of them) but I will never do the same mistake of Maria Saracco per example as I do not have any guaranty of these confidences but I understood a thing from this day, if some of them want to talk, they will but none of them will do it if you asked them directly the Question, did these people are sure about their confidences, as I said I have not any guaranty at all.
So my conclusion would be: The Great Miracle date is with Conchita and with Conchita only, it’s the wish of heaven and we must respect it in any case and about the question are we close or not yet? in my opinion surely and much more than many think but it’s my opinion only.
PS : May I ask you if my English is good enough ?
Aviso
Hi Barbara,
I know it is impossible to give a date for the Warning but my own personal feeling is that things have to get a lot worse in the world financially, politically, spiritually and increased natural disasters almost to the point when one is right after another. I feel the warning may take place in 2016 or 2017 given that 2017 is 100 anniversary of Fatima and we know these apparitions are a completion of what she started in 1917. This is just my 2 cents.
Paul
I have come on to ask Janine a question regarding St Faustina and Garabandal. But through reading the last few days posts, it looks as if she has left this forum.
It appears she might have felt frustrated and felt she didn’t get her point across. Well Janine if you do happen to read this. Don’t forget, you did help me and my wife. Of course the Mother of God would never get prophecy wrong, you showed the prophecies that didn’t come true. It was great how you backed yourself with scripture or words of Saints.
Janine, I have continued my own research too. I read that not only was Father Luis’ body to be found incorrupt the day after a ‘so called’ miracle (it has already been dug up, it is not incorrupt).
But it is said, that his brothers who were also priests, that they will be there for the day of the miracle. They have both passed away. So there you go. Another ‘false prophecy.’
So we will look forward to Jesus coming as a final coming and not as a warning, if this happens to be in our time.
If you see this Janine, I hope you reconsider coming back on, as there are other questions I’d like to pick your brain on.
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Aviso, You state you were insulted on another forum. You say Janine defended you there. Then you say it is “also a good example that if we have some differences, we must respect each other….”
Sounds a little hypocritical. Last week you threatened her if she ever went back to Garabandal. You said “be sure I will take care of that”
Then May 1 you said “just try to go back in the village to check if I am serious or not.”
Aviso, I see you have your own ‘Blog’ in which you posted this
PS : as I said already to many of you, Maria Divine Mercy is just a small diabolical lie if you want to compare with Medjugorje, a very small (difficult surely) lie (about 20 000 or 30 000 poor Believers) but the true regarding Medjugorje will be terrible for millions of Poor souls and a shame to any Christians who had defended this diabolical place and mainly if some of them had linked Garabandal and Medjugorje as it’s the case today for many of them unfortunately, you must know that I fight them myself last summer (the Medjugorjist) in the heart of the village of Garabandal where they are in numbers now and an other close Garabandalist, one of our best Garabandalist since years now and well known in the village, has threw himself into the trash any advertising of the gospa found in the Village of Garabandal……
Aviso you say. ‘you must know that I fight them myself last summer (the Medjugorjist) in the heart of the village of Garabandal where they are in numbers now’
Who are you ?
You don’t sound like someone who follows messages that are meant to come from Heaven.
Is this the results of you praying to Our Lady of Garabandal ? Maybe you should start praying to The Mother of God instead.
Hi Pak,
Regarding Janine, I have not been rude and I did not humiliate her in any case, I know her as well, she has a good heart and I told her directly but it was not possible for me anymore to leave her to attack the Lady of Garabandal longer and on a thread dedicated to Garabandal SO I suggest to any Garabandalist to do the same and many are doing it already, in my opinion we should defend the Mother of Garabandal everywhere online and as soon as we will see any attacks against the Apparitions of Garabandal, we don’t have to leave them “to breath” even 1 second, I will be back in the village soon and I will talk directly to Father Rolando about all these attacks, I have already a list of few names and pictures and will give it to any booking places in the Village as well, you believe or not, it’s not my problem and I have nothing to add.
Another important detail, there is a big difference between a faithful who do not believe in our Lady of Garabandal and a faithful who attacked the Lady of Garabandal especially on a thread dedicated to Garabandal, as Catholics, we know very well that no one is obliged to believe in any of the Marian Apparitions.
Regarding few Prophecies who have not been confirmed, I gave myself an explanation but in French as you can see my English is not very good, so don’t hesitate to translate if you are interested.
Regarding Medjugorje, it’s my own blog and I am free to give my own opinion and it’s also why I opened it, I will not use a thread dedicated to the Gospa like you and your friends to insult the Gospa of Medjugorje or to linked her to satan.
This Thread will get back his peace and you can count on me for that as well, when some stupid things are said like the Lady, the Mother of God, will never call for any revenge or will never be linked to a death of a Bishop it’s of course true but it’s also a stupidity to use this argument to explain the death of the Bishop, Bishop Puchol died on the feast day of St Michael, now if some of you do not know yet who is St Michael, please do not hesitate to go back to your Bibles.
In my opinion you have made one mistake only and if I have understood well, convince your own wife to no longer believe in Garabandal, it is a mistake and I am telling it to you with the all necessary Respect.
For your information, it’s a thread dedicated to Garabandal not to Saint Faustina or to Medjugorje or even to Maria Divine Mercy, thank you again for your understanding.
Aviso
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Aviso Thanks for your reply,,,,we just have to wait and see. I intend to go back to Garabandal next year and Medjugorje…. I still think the Miracle could happen in 2015…. as it is the only part that fits in, when Conchita said in one of her books, that the Miracle would not happen on a Holy Thursday, nor Lent….. and up to 2021, the 9th April 2015 is the only dates that fit in…. we will just wait and pray. Barbara.
Barbara, very interesting according to what Concheta has said regarding the warning date. I’ve watched many near death experiences online and a common experience is that Jesus asks during your life review…. ” what have you done for your fellow man / neighbor”. In each encounter in our lives it was either a positive exchange where you gave off light and Gods love or it was a negative exchange. I found that interesting and wanted to share it.
Who knows Barbara ? and did the sun will still shines at 8.30 Pm ? but please be aware of any speculation as many before have made this mistake, the last one is Maria Saracco herself.
Aviso
Has Maria Saracco made any statements or said anything since Dec 21st, 2012 came and went without any warning like she had predicted ?
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A mile and a half large astroid will make a close pass by with Earth on May 31st at 1:30pm. If that size astroid ever hot Earth it would be an extinction event. Talk about signs in the heavens !!! Wow ! It seems like these comets & astroids are increasing in frequency.
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